Crate Motor Class

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz

Are there any other differences between an NHRA Stock car and a IHRA Crate Motor Stock car, other than the engine?

Originally Posted by Michael K

One difference is mini tubs and 10.5 inch tires.

Originally Posted by Myron Piatek

You're also allowed minor suspension mods for tire clearance (i.e.: 3/4" offset kit for leaf springs on Mopars.) and you can have a trunk mounted battery without a matching one up front. There were originally a few cars built with springs moved into frame rails, but they were getting away from that as too radical. They also revised other rules shortly after inception that originaly allowed other brand rear ends (i.e: Ford 9" in place of 8 3/4" - sounds like FS!) and tightened up on hood scoop rules to keeping original hole specs & sealed/unsealed configurations, like with "regular" Stock rules. They also allowed replacement aluminum radiators before NHRA did.

Originally Posted by killintime6968

Mini tubed cars are not stock , 10.5 tire cars are not stock and crate motor cars are not stock. The first two can fit super stock and crate motors can go play in the brackets.

What % of cars, that were running Crate Motor classes recently, had taken full advantage of the rules? What % were otherwise NHRA-legal cars that just had an engine swap?

If you put a NHRA-legal 9" tire on a car that still had it's IHRA-allowed mini-tubs and relocated springs, would it have an advantage over a NHRA Stocker?

Is it correct that you can build certain NHRA-legal Stocker engines almost entirely out of aftermarket parts, aside from the intake manifold? (approved replacement block, oil pan, crankshaft, rods, pistons, heads, carburetor/EFI, & ignition, plus all the traditionally replaced components like headers, cam, valve covers, rocker arms etc.).

[Birch motor cars]

Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz

What % of cars, that were running Crate Motor classes recently, had taken full advantage of the rules? What % were otherwise NHRA-legal cars that just had an engine swap?

If you put a NHRA-legal 9" tire on a car that still had it's IHRA-allowed mini-tubs an

d relocated springs, would it have an advantage over a NHRA Stocker?

Is it correct that you can build certain NHRA-legal Stocker engines almost entirely out of aftermarket parts, aside from the intake manifold? (approved replacement block, oil pan, crankshaft, rods, pistons, heads, carburetor/EFI, & ignition, plus all the traditionally replaced components like headers, cam, valve covers, rocker arms etc.).

Mike you are 100% correct. I'm a Crate motor guy with a brand new legal crate motor sitting on my shop floor. I contacted Glendora about building a legal NHRA motor, they told me my options, so I dug into the rule book and ClassRacerInfo.com. I really had quite a laugh of what I discovered. So NHRA allows aftermarket blocks, heads, intakes just as you outlined. So what's the difference ??? So really here I sit with a legal 350ci 330hp crate motor that is more stock then what the NHRA book allows. The only thing I can come up with is all of these keyboard jockeys on here are just plain in simple SCARED of our combinations because we run faster without spending thousands of dollars to cheat, that's right some of you keyboard jockeys on here have auctally admitted to it. Therfore is the reason, they call us bracket racers or oh go back to the brackets, that's right we can go bracket race our cars because they can take it unlike the others. I'm a guy that says what Im thinking, it's real hard to read all of this hatred and hold back from responding to these scared people. My Legal Crate Motor is going in my mini tubed, 10.5" tire, holley 750cfm, Edlebrock Super Vector intake car in a few weeks and will race it's little heart out at Class Assioation races and local brackets.

[HR9121]

If you guys really want to get these cars added on a regular basis I suggest you show up and support these Open races. Rich and Division 2 have given you guys an opportunity to show there is a need. If I were in your position I would be rallying my fellow CM racers and preparing to go support these races instead of coming on here trying to pick a fight and calling people cheaters.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by HR9121

If you guys really want to get these cars added on a regular basis I suggest you show up and support these Open races. Rich and Division 2 have given you guys an opportunity to show there is a need. If I were in your position I would be rallying my fellow CM racers and preparing to go support these races instead of coming on here trying to pick a fight and calling people cheaters.

Precious!
Birch did not call them cheaters.
He repeated what they said!

Hope all this has solidified CM racers.
Maybe some enterprising soul will start a CM association.

D

[HR9121]

Dan I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here, I don't recall anyone admitting anything about any cheating here so may be you can point that out for me. I am completely sincere when I say the ball is in their court here, if I had a crate motor I would be prepared to travel from half way across the country to attend these races to show there is support. If CM guys don't come to these races it will go away just like IHRA.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Dan I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here, I don't recall anyone admitting anything about any cheating here so may be you can point that out for me. I am completely sincere when I say the ball is in their court here, if I had a crate motor I would be prepared to travel from half way across the country to attend these races to show there is support. If CM guys don't come to these races it will go away just like IHRA.

Cool

D

[Birch motor cars]

It's pointless discussing this any more.

[Larry Hill]

And you can be Number one qualifier at Indy with legal stuff, but it does take more work than money.

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

Here you go James, POST#611 goes by Ken Bugaj. I called him out for calling Crate Motor cars budget racers. He hits me back with this.

QUOTE=Birch motor cars;555895]Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads. Xx What I was saying is that most crate motor guys won't spend the 5K to Port & Polish head's & intake then cover it up. They'll do the basic legal head work.

I told him to look at what he just admitted to in his post. You cant do any of that in stock. He in a sense is correct to the point that I did do the legal head work allowed, I didn't cover anything up.

So where do you plan on racing. I don’t believe there were any ihra tracks in Iowa
Or do you just have a hard on for Cooter.
Birch Motors? I believe your a car salesman or something Tirekicker
Drag racing cost $$$$ so get over your bracket car. It cost $$.
At least Cooter is a D2 racer. Do You Even Race?

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

So where do you plan on racing. I don’t believe there were any ihra tracks in Iowa
Or do you just have a hard on for Cooter.
Birch Motors? I believe your a car salesman or something Tirekicker
Drag racing cost $$$$ so get over your bracket car. It cost $$.
At least Cooter is a D2 racer. Do You Even Race?

D2/D1 I thought I had been somewhat adopted into D1 also Perrone!
My point is this, if they want to prove there is an opportunity for NHRA they better be loading up prepared to come in droves to prove it. When IHRA had the Sportsman Spectacular races I loved the idea, so much so I traveled to Memphis to run one(16 hours). Are thsee guys prepared to do that?