Crate Motor Class

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

Mike you are 100% correct. I'm a Crate motor guy with a brand new legal crate motor sitting on my shop floor. I contacted Glendora about building a legal NHRA motor, they told me my options, so I dug into the rule book and ClassRacerInfo.com. I really had quite a laugh of what I discovered. So NHRA allows aftermarket blocks, heads, intakes just as you outlined. So what's the difference ??? So really here I sit with a legal 350ci 330hp crate motor that is more stock then what the NHRA book allows. The only thing I can come up with is all of these keyboard jockeys on here are just plain in simple SCARED of our combinations because we run faster without spending thousands of dollars to cheat, that's right some of you keyboard jockeys on here have auctally admitted to it. Therfore is the reason, they call us bracket racers or oh go back to the brackets, that's right we can go bracket race our cars because they can take it unlike the others. I'm a guy that says what Im thinking, it's real hard to read all of this hatred and hold back from responding to these scared people. My Legal Crate Motor is going in my mini tubed, 10.5" tire, holley 750cfm, Edlebrock Super Vector intake car in a few weeks and will race it's little heart out at Class Assioation races and local brackets.

No, actually you don't have a perfectly legal crate motor. You know why? Because crate motors are not accepted in NHRA Stock Eliminator, and IHRA Stock Eliminator is dead. What you have is a candidate for a bracket car or a street car.

Further, it didn't come stock in anything, so it isn't more stock than any legal original combination, regardless of accepted aftermarket components.

Mostly what you have is a car, an illegal engine, and an entitled attitude that makes you think the current rules should be altered to fit your wants and needs, not to mention a holier than thou attitude about how stock your crate motor is. Oh, and the superiority complex that makes you think anyone is scared of you.

You guys with crate motors are demanding that everyone else change their class with set rules to suit you, along with Mr. Pure Stock. And you've gotten worse with every post about how you think you're entitled to change someone else's game, and they're jerks for not jumping through hoops and bending over backwards to do as you ask.

Here's the deal, the NHRA class has been around a long time, and has done better than the IHRA deal. So much better now that NHRA races usually fill their quotas, and your IHRA deal dropped stone dead. those are the absolute incontrovertible facts, regardless of how you, I, or anyone else feels about them. If the IHRA deal was so great, and you guys had such a good thing, it would still be going, and NHRA would be falling all over themselves to do it.

I don't have anything personal against any of you. I really hate that you lost your place to race, I hate that for anyone, and I hate that it keeps IHRA from doing at least a little to help keep NHRA slightly honest. Currently, we're not racing, hopefully, in the not too distant future, we can return. In the mean time, I'm helping about a dozen other guys with their program, selling parts and technical support, at minimum. None of them is running anything other than a currently legal NHRA combination, and none of them wants to see any classes added. The way they see it, they're stepping up to spend the money to build a combination that fits the current rules, and if they can do it, so can you.

[Lee Valentine]

Alan, what I don't think they realize is If NHRA were to allow crate motors in a year there would be killer crate engines being built just like the current stock eliminator stuff. I know Tilburg,Gulius, Barton and numerous other bulders would have them stupid fast in no time.

[Bob Bender]

I think I saw a V-8 Vega in IHRA crate motor class. Makes sense? Not to me. I ran a real Vega with the 4 cycl. Build your class car to the only rules that are there, NHRA !!!!!

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Lee Valentine

Alan, what I don't think they realize is If NHRA were to allow crate motors in a year there would be killer crate engines being built just like the current stock eliminator stuff. I know Tilburg,Gulius, Barton and numerous other bulders would have them stupid fast in no time.

There were plenty of scienced out crate motors that used to run with the IHRA.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by GUMP

There were plenty of scienced out crate motors that used to run with the IHRA.

Really.? I don't recall any.... Who.? Gulius ,Barton or Tilburg are in a different zip code when it comes to speed (running under the indexes). Others too of course,... but their names were mentioned. If you turned them loose on the same engines, apples to apples, especially with the 3 tenths gift handicap that IHRA had, and no horsepower penalty system in place, it would have been entertaining at the least. Most NHRA cars that showed up at IHRA races left their cars in bracket mode and were top top qualifiers .. I don't mean to be disrespectful, and maybe I'm wrong and missing something here, , but there is ( I mean was) no comparison ..And it don't madder anyway

[tommy d]

Arrgh !

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

Really.? I don't recall any.... Who.? Gulius ,Barton or Tilburg are in a different zip code when it comes to speed (running under the indexes). Others too of course,... but their names were mentioned. If you turned them loose on the same engines, apples to apples, especially with the 3 tenths gift handicap that IHRA had, and no horsepower penalty system in place, it would have been entertaining at the least. Most NHRA cars that showed up at IHRA races left their cars in bracket mode and were top top qualifiers .. I don't mean to be disrespectful, and maybe I'm wrong and missing something here, , but there is ( I mean was) no comparison ..And it don't madder anyway

Bracket mode means you turn the wick down during eliminations.
Until there is a heads up race.
Even then racers move up and down a Class to avoid one.

New aftermarket pieces for Stockers are just CM engines without saying it!
No shame in it..IHRA CMs are natural documented replacements.
What we have now anyway is Modified Stock and Super Stock.

A real Stock Eliminator Class will have to be recreated!

D

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Bracket mode means you turn the wick down during eliminations.
Until there is a heads up race.
Even then racers move up and down a Class to avoid one.

New aftermarket pieces for Stockers are just CM engines without saying it!
No shame in it..IHRA CMs are natural documented replacements.
What we have now anyway is Modified Stock and Super Stock.

A real Stock Eliminator Class will have to be recreated!

D

Looking at how many NHRA Stockers can`t get into a national event as it is, and the overall car counts in Stock, I would have to say that the Current version of NHRA Stock Eliminator is very healthy , and has no need to be "re created", least of all to bring in a few now homeless IHRA cars , owned by people who took a chance on building cars that are not legal by the largest santioning body.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Bracket mode means you turn the wick down during eliminations.
Until there is a heads up race.
Even then racers move up and down a Class to avoid one.

New aftermarket pieces for Stockers are just CM engines without saying it!
No shame in it..IHRA CMs are natural documented replacements.
What we have now anyway is Modified Stock and Super Stock.

A real Stock Eliminator Class will have to be recreated!

D

See, Dan, that's exactly why people dismiss what you say immediately.

We have a 69 Camaro 427/425. We've run it since 2007, it's apart right now. Yes, it has GM replacement cylinder heads and intake. No, it is NOT a damned crate motor. You calling it one, with your ignorant opinion, doesn't make it one, either. It uses a a couple of GM replacement parts, but it is the original combination sold in 1969, a 427/425HP L-72.

Your pompous arrogant opinion about the class and the cars is exactly why the vast majority of NHRA Stock Eliminator racers don't want a damned thing to do with you or your suggestions.

[SSDA Hemi]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

See, Dan, that's exactly why people dismiss what you say immediately.

We have a 69 Camaro 427/425. We've run it since 2007, it's apart right now. Yes, it has GM replacement cylinder heads and intake. No, it is NOT a damned crate motor. You calling it one, with your ignorant opinion, doesn't make it one, either. It uses a a couple of GM replacement parts, but it is the original combination sold in 1969, a 427/425HP L-72.

Are the original L-72 closed chamber heads an open chamber 119cc replacement head cut down to 103.3 cc closed chamber specs?

Just more proof of how F'd up stock and SS are at this point