Is there any hope of NHRA separating traditional Stockers...

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Originally Posted by kdanner

How are "completely stock" cars relevant here? That isn't what is being raced whether new or old.

As Rory pointed out, we didn't "need" factory race cars (that have never been, and never will be legal to drive on public roads) in Stock Eliminator- new regular production cars do not suffer from any lack of potential as Stock Eliminator race cars.

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I get it- you own a Cobra Jet. This thread is not a personal attack on you, Kristofer.

The subject of this thread is not "Ban Cobra Jets". I simply suggested separating the factory race cars from regular Stockers.

We do the same thing in motorcycle road racing- we don't race production-based Supersports and Superbikes against factory Grand Prix racing motorcycles, because they're two different things.

Who knows- separating them from regular Stockers might be a good thing for you. If the factory race cars raced amongst themselves, maybe the manufacturers would be able to sell more of them.

But hey, it was just a question. I'm not petitioning NHRA to change anything. My question doesn't change anything for you.

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Originally Posted by 6130

I get it- you own a Cobra Jet. This thread is not a personal attack on you, Kristofer.

I'm not leveling any attack either, I'm trying to figure out where you think lines should be drawn. For the record, I don't own a CJ. I do have a Mustang GT under construction, to run in A/SA. It's something I want to try and it actually aligns with one thing you seem to be advocating for. This may be a foolish thing I am attempting but if it doesn't work out then with some minimal changes I can make it a 12 CJ which will allow me to remove 105lbs plus get a 3 tenths softer index.

One thing I am not going to do is advocate for rules changes when I'm not even racing.

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Originally Posted by 6130

As Rory pointed out, we didn't "need" factory race cars (that have never been, and never will be legal to drive on public roads) in Stock Eliminator- new regular production cars do not suffer from any lack of potential as Stock Eliminator race cars.

Still trying to figure out exactly which cars you think should be gone and why, you've not answered some of my previous questions.

Previously you wanted cars without a VIN gone but after being told about 80s G bodies and others previously built from bodies in white, plus some of the newer FS cars actually having VINs you backpedaled from that being a criteria.

Then it was cars equipped with drivetrain components that OEM street cars didn't have. However you don't seem to take any issue with LT-1 cars that were never produced while you do take issue with V10 cars that were never produced. Why is one OK and not the other?

You said you don't like a COPO with a Ford 9", which isn't really a Ford 9", it's all aftermarket parts that to some degree resemble a Ford 9". What about those "12 bolt" rears that aren't a GM 12 bolt? You know, the ones that somewhat resemble a GM 12 bolt but have cast in torque arm mounts to fit F bodies among other changes? Do those need to be thrown out too? If not, why is one OK and not the other? Do you think the new cars should have to remain IRS? If so, why not the Corvettes too?

Then there was the Powerglide in the Drag Pak example, which is just like the rear axle deal, it's not a GM powerglide, it only resembles one. So would you take away the aftermarket trans cases from the GM cars too? Would you take away the metric 200 from cars that didn't have them? Would you take all 3 speeds away from combos that were powerglide only?

I have to say that at face value it appears that you're willing to let certain things slide for older cars, but not the same kind of things for newer ones.

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Who knows, buddy? Maybe in 5 years you'll be able to race Stock Eliminator with a VIN-free front wheel drive conversion Ford Focus 2-door coupe, powered by a Boss 429 engine with a Powerglide behind it.