Is there any hope of NHRA separating traditional Stockers...

[6130]

Originally Posted by kdanner

How are "completely stock" cars relevant here? That isn't what is being raced whether new or old.

As Rory pointed out, we didn't "need" factory race cars (that have never been, and never will be legal to drive on public roads) in Stock Eliminator- new regular production cars do not suffer from any lack of potential as Stock Eliminator race cars.

[6130]

I get it- you own a Cobra Jet. This thread is not a personal attack on you, Kristofer.

The subject of this thread is not "Ban Cobra Jets". I simply suggested separating the factory race cars from regular Stockers.

We do the same thing in motorcycle road racing- we don't race production-based Supersports and Superbikes against factory Grand Prix racing motorcycles, because they're two different things.

Who knows- separating them from regular Stockers might be a good thing for you. If the factory race cars raced amongst themselves, maybe the manufacturers would be able to sell more of them.

But hey, it was just a question. I'm not petitioning NHRA to change anything. My question doesn't change anything for you.

[kdanner]

Originally Posted by 6130

I get it- you own a Cobra Jet. This thread is not a personal attack on you, Kristofer.

I'm not leveling any attack either, I'm trying to figure out where you think lines should be drawn. For the record, I don't own a CJ. I do have a Mustang GT under construction, to run in A/SA. It's something I want to try and it actually aligns with one thing you seem to be advocating for. This may be a foolish thing I am attempting but if it doesn't work out then with some minimal changes I can make it a 12 CJ which will allow me to remove 105lbs plus get a 3 tenths softer index.

One thing I am not going to do is advocate for rules changes when I'm not even racing.

[kdanner]

Originally Posted by 6130

As Rory pointed out, we didn't "need" factory race cars (that have never been, and never will be legal to drive on public roads) in Stock Eliminator- new regular production cars do not suffer from any lack of potential as Stock Eliminator race cars.

Still trying to figure out exactly which cars you think should be gone and why, you've not answered some of my previous questions.

Previously you wanted cars without a VIN gone but after being told about 80s G bodies and others previously built from bodies in white, plus some of the newer FS cars actually having VINs you backpedaled from that being a criteria.

Then it was cars equipped with drivetrain components that OEM street cars didn't have. However you don't seem to take any issue with LT-1 cars that were never produced while you do take issue with V10 cars that were never produced. Why is one OK and not the other?

You said you don't like a COPO with a Ford 9", which isn't really a Ford 9", it's all aftermarket parts that to some degree resemble a Ford 9". What about those "12 bolt" rears that aren't a GM 12 bolt? You know, the ones that somewhat resemble a GM 12 bolt but have cast in torque arm mounts to fit F bodies among other changes? Do those need to be thrown out too? If not, why is one OK and not the other? Do you think the new cars should have to remain IRS? If so, why not the Corvettes too?

Then there was the Powerglide in the Drag Pak example, which is just like the rear axle deal, it's not a GM powerglide, it only resembles one. So would you take away the aftermarket trans cases from the GM cars too? Would you take away the metric 200 from cars that didn't have them? Would you take all 3 speeds away from combos that were powerglide only?

I have to say that at face value it appears that you're willing to let certain things slide for older cars, but not the same kind of things for newer ones.

[6130]

Who knows, buddy? Maybe in 5 years you'll be able to race Stock Eliminator with a VIN-free front wheel drive conversion Ford Focus 2-door coupe, powered by a Boss 429 engine with a Powerglide behind it.

[fastlane]

I would be happy to have a separate class for the factory race cars then my Copo would not ever give a 9 second handicap lead to a stock car. I think most would like to run factory showdown FS/XX but it is only run now in 7 events and none on the west coast. I am all for putting a new category out there for the factory hot rods heads up or not. And maybe change from a 9 inch tire to a 10.5 tire and make 160-170 mph cars safe.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by fastlane

And maybe change from a 9 inch tire to a 10.5 tire and make 160-170 mph cars safe.

Hey Newbie, the thing that is going to keep the FS/ thing alive is going to be the 9" tires. You knew what you were getting into when you opened your wallet. Drag Racing isn't safe. If you don't like 9" tires then back-half your car and go SS Racing.

[fastlane]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Hey Newbie, the thing that is going to keep the FS/ thing alive is going to be the 9" tires. You knew what you were getting into when you opened your wallet. Drag Racing isn't safe. If you don't like 9" tires then back-half your car and go SS Racing.

As far as a newbie I have been racing since 1965 that's 54 years longer then a lot of racers have been alive. The reason I mention the 9 inch tire is in the context of having a separate class for factory hot rods, they have been a large percentage number of factory hot rods that have hit the wall and crashed. If NHRA was going to put them in a separate class there is no mandate for staying with a 9 inch tire on a 160-170 mph car . I don't recall that I ever said I didn't want to race on a 9 inch tire there is no need for me to backhalf my car I can put on a bigger tire and run in SS my index only goes down from 9.40 to 9.20. The thread was about
separating traditional stock class from the new factory cars. And if that was done there could be lots of changes. There is already a separate class for them FS/XX heads up it is the now the most popular new class and if NHRA gets smart they will expand it to all events instead of just 7 and that would make everyone happy.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by fastlane

The thread was about
separating traditional stock class from the new factory cars. And if that was done there could be lots of changes. There is already a separate class for them FS/XX heads up it is the now the most popular new class and if NHRA gets smart they will expand it to all events instead of just 7 and that would make everyone happy.

NHRA is not going to separate the NEW factory STOCK cars from the TRADITIONAL factory STOCK cars. Other than a VIN, which the new cars don't have because of federal EPA and safety regulations, there is no difference between a 68 Cobra Jet and a 2008 Cobra Jet. Or a 69 COPO and a 2012 COPO or a Hemi Dart and a Drag Pack. They have definitely increased interest in Stock Eliminator so whether I like them or not, I like them.

I would LOVE to see the FS/XX thing become 21st Century Pro Stock BUT NHRA has an incredible knack for ruining things by changing them to make them better. The "hot lick" with people younger than me right now is the "Street Outlaws" and "no prep" stuff and by leaving the 9" tires on the cars, the "tuners" are the ones winning some of the races not the guys throwing the most money at the track.

[JHeath]

Originally Posted by 6130

Who knows, buddy? Maybe in 5 years you'll be able to race Stock Eliminator with a VIN-free front wheel drive conversion Ford Focus 2-door coupe, powered by a Boss 429 engine with a Powerglide behind it.

Time to put the Nyquil down !