2015 Mustang Ecoboost K/SA?

[6130]

Wow.

This 2015 Ecoboost Mustang with an automatic ran UNDER the K/SA index, hundreds of pounds overweight and stone stock right down to the tires, except for an aftermarket "tune" that picked up 64 horsepower:

[Jesse Kershaw]

I'm glad to see this combo getting some attention. I submitted it before leaving Ford and after some back and forth with Pat Cvengros (who read over the TI like a hawk!) it was accepted pending a sample turbo. I had the turbo in a box ready to ship and asked for it to be sent on my last day. Not sure if it took them 18 months to ship it or if NHRA hadn't gotten around to putting it in the guide but it's nice to see it there now.

Jake Sealey was looking at running it as a SS/GT combo but I think he went 5.4L instead. I know Drew Skillman had been asking about it as well for a Stocker but that was years ago. I had a paper to build a one-off 2016 CJ with Ecoboost with giant turbo and ultra lighweight. I figured an 8.9 ET 4-banger showcar at SEMA /PRI would grab lots of attention.

I'm guessing you guys figured it out but 264 is 85% of 310. That was the agreement NHRA made for these new cars. Unfortunately they would not go back and alter the 2011-2014 Mustang GT's from 385hp.

And regarding IRS I had many conversations with NHRA tech about that. My opinion was that because all new muscle cars have IRS they should be required for street car stockers and the package cars would still be submitted and require approval for FS classes. I agree that a late model VIN'd Stocker should not get a stick axle conversion.

[Jake Sealey]

If only you didn't have run a V8 in SS/GT. We still have the engine, just need a body to make a stocker or a rule change to run GT .

[Jim Caughlin]

Yep, no 4 cylinders in GT, I would be running one if it was legal.

Jim Caughlin
SS/ES 6019

[Jesse Kershaw]

Ah, I recall this conversation now about SS/GT and 4-cylinders.

Do we know why that rule exists? Has anyone requested that NHRA change that? Every manufacturer has big power turbo 4's and 6's now.

Maybe Mike D at Ford could take up the charge to change that.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

Ah, I recall this conversation now about SS/GT and 4-cylinders.

Do we know why that rule exists? Has anyone requested that NHRA change that? Every manufacturer has big power turbo 4's and 6's now.

Maybe Mike D at Ford could take up the charge to change that.

For the last 5 years I have wanted to be able to put my 2.3Turbo engine in another body and run SS/GT

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

Ah, I recall this conversation now about SS/GT and 4-cylinders.

Do we know why that rule exists? Has anyone requested that NHRA change that? Every manufacturer has big power turbo 4's and 6's now.

Maybe Mike D at Ford could take up the charge to change that.

Yes, I have asked. As I have raced 4 cylinder cars in SS since the mid '80's, I had hoped that I had some 'cred' to get it done but no luck. Didn't get an answer, just no change and no response why.

Jim Caughlin
SS/ES 6019

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

I'm glad to see this combo getting some attention. I submitted it before leaving Ford and after some back and forth with Pat Cvengros (who read over the TI like a hawk!) it was accepted pending a sample turbo. I had the turbo in a box ready to ship and asked for it to be sent on my last day. Not sure if it took them 18 months to ship it or if NHRA hadn't gotten around to putting it in the guide but it's nice to see it there now.

Jake Sealey was looking at running it as a SS/GT combo but I think he went 5.4L instead. I know Drew Skillman had been asking about it as well for a Stocker but that was years ago. I had a paper to build a one-off 2016 CJ with Ecoboost with giant turbo and ultra lighweight. I figured an 8.9 ET 4-banger showcar at SEMA /PRI would grab lots of attention.

I'm guessing you guys figured it out but 264 is 85% of 310. That was the agreement NHRA made for these new cars. Unfortunately they would not go back and alter the 2011-2014 Mustang GT's from 385hp.

And regarding IRS I had many conversations with NHRA tech about that. My opinion was that because all new muscle cars have IRS they should be required for street car stockers and the package cars would still be submitted and require approval for FS classes. I agree that a late model VIN'd Stocker should not get a stick axle conversion.

It looks like your talk with NHRA on the newer cars had some effect after all Jesse.

Too bad the OBD II cars could not get a break, but at least all the newer cars entering the classification guide from now on will get the 85/85 ratings

[Jesse Kershaw]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Too bad the OBD II cars could not get a break, but at least all the newer cars entering the classification guide from now on will get the 85/85 ratings

I did push for all OBD-II cars to get a break. I believe you and I emailed about it several times. But unfortunately it didn't happen and you have to pick your battles. 15% off going forward seemed reasonable although I would have liked 18 or 20% better. haha.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw

I did push for all OBD-II cars to get a break. I believe you and I emailed about it several times. But unfortunately it didn't happen and you have to pick your battles. 15% off going forward seemed reasonable although I would have liked 18 or 20% better. haha.

Yep. I still have the e-mails.
1996 and newer with a 15 % reduction would be nice.

Doesn't seem like it will happen now so all the '96-'07 combos are stuck with what they are I suppose.
Just a hand full of the 1996-2007 production cars are running in Stock now so there are all those combos in the guide that will never be tried.

Too bad because there are so many really nice condition OBD II cars out there cheap