Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products

[Dyno]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

Adding to my earlier questions...

You were right on the 2018 engine combinations. Should have been put on the books months ago. We are 60 cubic inches down from GM and Mopar. That's like running on 7 cylinders.

Ford may be down 60 cubic inches: but up 16 valves, up 3 camshafts and down 16 pushrods. Based on MPH, I think all 3 brands are pretty equal, traction and 60 foot times seem to be the issue.

[Larry Hill]

total valve aera for the DOHC 6.189 sq in, Hemi 6.018 sq in.

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Dyno

Ford may be down 60 cubic inches: but up 16 valves, up 3 camshafts and down 16 pushrods. Based on MPH, I think all 3 brands are pretty equal, traction and 60 foot times seem to be the issue.

Cubic inches is torque, cylinder heads is top end hp.


Torque is your ET, top end HP is your MPH.
Along with 100,000.00 dollar transmissions

[Mike Jones]

Jim,
I hope you mean $10,000.00 transmissions.....
Mike A114

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

Jim,
I hope you mean $10,000.00 transmissions.....
Mike A114

NO........

[Mike Jones]

don't know what to say....
Mike A114

[FED 387]

I think what he is trying to say is that the initial purchase price of a Liberty 5 speed with shifter is about $9200 PLUS all of the extra gear sets required to convert 1st-2nd-3rd-4th gear combinations for racing at Denver or at sea level plus all of the many small parts you also will need to service the transmission such as main shafts/shifter forks/sliders/whatever etc. ---SO the Total package is probably about $75,000-$100,000--- that does not include an extra transmission or 2 or 3 with a shifter --need another shifter without buying a transmission they run about $1100 each no extra parts included here either ---FED 387

[Randall Klein]

I must be missing something, getting from $9200 to 75-100K is quite a leap
Why not buy 7-8 extra trans & ratios complete, you get a lot of spare parts it seems, but what do I know, just a lowly SS racer

[Rob Wright]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

Cubic inches is torque, cylinder heads is top end hp.


Torque is your ET, top end HP is your MPH.
Along with 100,000.00 dollar transmissions

So if torque is ET those 5.0's must make a lot of it, considering how much quicker most of them are in 60' and 330' compared to the others.

I have a spreadsheet that is jammed with incremental times from a couple of races with all competitors "good" runs.....if I remember to do it I will post a pic of it when I get home tonight.

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Rob Wright

So if torque is ET those 5.0's must make a lot of it, considering how much quicker most of them are in 60' and 330' compared to the others.

I have a spreadsheet that is jammed with incremental times from a couple of races with all competitors "good" runs.....if I remember to do it I will post a pic of it when I get home tonight.

Rob,
Anybody can make a car with no torque run to the 330. Our 5.0L N/A Cobra Jet has been 1.18 60ft.'s and the motor makes no torque.
Leaving at 6500 with a lot of gear in it and a lot rpm.


Torque really comes into play on the gear transfer. That is why the more cubic inch cars can leave softer so they don't spin and they can make it up after the 330. In fact if you have a spread sheet there is only 3 to 4 Cobra Jets at every event and 10 to 11 Copo's at every event and a few Dodges. The Cobra Jets have spun off the line more than any other brand because they are trying to leave harder.


Hope this helps
Jim D'Amore