Poking the Bear Ford Performance Products

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

kdanner,


The 5.4L 4.0L has been legal in stock for over 3 years. It was just recognized and put in the guide this year. But 3 years ago you could have raced this combination. As for the 5.4L 4.0L in showdown, it was on the books for 30 days. NHRA didn't post it for 2 weeks after it was approved so it was made viewable to the public for about 2 weeks. Roger Allen didn't like it so Mike D. took it off.


If you spent 8 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars in R&D work on your 5.4L 4.0L combination why in the world would you put the 5.0L in play? It just doesn't make sense for those who want to run their original 5.4L combination. You can put a 2016 crate motor in a 10 or 12 SCJ car and run it in the showdown but you couldn't run the original 5.4L combination it came with.


Why would Mike D. take a legal stock eliminator combination out of the showdown guide? I asked him face to face and he could not give me an answer. I even asked his boss last night and he still hasn't given me an answer. It is a legal stock eliminator combination, the showdown class is stock eliminator.


Jim D'Amore

The show down class is NOT Stock Eliminator! It is a Special Run class that is allowed to run in the Stock Eliminator Category.

[Jim D'Amore]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The show down class is NOT Stock Eliminator! It is a Special Run class that is allowed to run in the Stock Eliminator Category.

I don't know the difference but I do know NHRA calls it Stock Eliminator Showdown class. Even when it's announced, it's presented as Stock Eliminator showdown class. It started it's life in Stock Eliminator and the engine combinations are in the Stock Eliminator guide. If you take your Showdown Stock Eliminator car to a divisional race you can run it in Stock Eliminator. So every FS Stock Eliminator engine combination is legal expect for the Ford 5.4L 4.0L and the GM 327 4.0L combination. Mike D. and Roger Allen made that happen.


Jim D'Amore

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

I don't know the difference but I do know NHRA calls it Stock Eliminator Showdown class. Even when it's announced, it's presented as Stock Eliminator showdown class. It started it's life in Stock Eliminator and the engine combinations are in the Stock Eliminator guide. If you take your Showdown Stock Eliminator car to a divisional race you can run it in Stock Eliminator. So every FS Stock Eliminator engine combination is legal expect for the Ford 5.4L 4.0L and the GM 327 4.0L combination. Mike D. and Roger Allen made that happen.


Jim D'Amore

Yeah, some folks have been getting away with calling it Stock but it's not. They snuck these cars into Stock Eliminator by calling them a special production run. None of them were showroom production cars.

[stang321]

as an outside observer that's works in a dealership the answer to your question is far simpler than it may appear Ford has no desire to see a mustang win a "Factory Showdown Shootout" with an engine they no longer produce. no mustangs will be sold on Monday from a 5.4 win on Sunday diehard racers care but upper management just wont see the benefit

[JHeath]

Originally Posted by stang321

as an outside observer that's works in a dealership the answer to your question is far simpler than it may appear Ford has no desire to see a mustang win a "Factory Showdown Shootout" with an engine they no longer produce. no mustangs will be sold on Monday from a 5.4 win on Sunday diehard racers care but upper management just wont see the benefit

There is nobody on the planet who is buying a 5.0 Mustang on monday after watching a FSS Mustang win on sunday. Maybe that was the case 50 years ago.

[Brett C]

Originally Posted by Jim D'Amore

I don't know the difference but I do know NHRA calls it Stock Eliminator Showdown class. Even when it's announced, it's presented as Stock Eliminator showdown class. It started it's life in Stock Eliminator and the engine combinations are in the Stock Eliminator guide. If you take your Showdown Stock Eliminator car to a divisional race you can run it in Stock Eliminator. So every FS Stock Eliminator engine combination is legal expect for the Ford 5.4L 4.0L and the GM 327 4.0L combination. Mike D. and Roger Allen made that happen.


Jim D'Amore

For accuracy purposes, NHRA’s term is Factory Stock Showdown. And it is it’s own class/eliminator.