Wondering what stock racers think

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I wouldn't complain if the rules were turned back about 30 years or so

Alan, I know what Casey's doing. And I can see both sides of this discussion. You're right, he's not competing, but at the same time you can't fault a man for having an emotional attachment to his car. He's doing the best that he can with what he's got.

Now about "if the rules were turned back about 30 years or so", the only rule that we need to turn back would be the valve spring rule. And we really don't need to go back to the original valve springs. I think that 160 on the seat for a conventional cam placement and 110 for an OHC would bring everything back to reality in a hurry. And I think that even the Millennial Tech guys could use a valve spring tester, quick and easy right after fuel check.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Alan, I know what Casey's doing. And I can see both sides of this discussion. You're right, he's not competing, but at the same time you can't fault a man for having an emotional attachment to his car. He's doing the best that he can with what he's got.

Now about "if the rules were turned back about 30 years or so", the only rule that we need to turn back would be the valve spring rule. And we really don't need to go back to the original valve springs. I think that 160 on the seat for a conventional cam placement and 110 for an OHC would bring everything back to reality in a hurry. And I think that even the Millennial Tech guys could use a valve spring tester, quick and easy right after fuel check.

I'm not faulting anyone. I don't have a thing against Casey. I'm just saying that he is making his choices to not be competitive. It's just plain completely unrealistic to even bother to complain about the HP factor of other cars, or the indexes, or to be offended by any of it, if you choose not to be competitive.


We can all wish for a lot of things. But if you want to race, you have to deal with reality.

[B Parker]

I said it back several post ago. Stock is just a name that are class has. The real Stock left the building years ago. It reminds me of a saying we had at the Fire Dept. Lead follow or get left behind. Casey hydraulic lifters haven't been real hydraulic lifters for a long long time. We shimmed are lifters back in the 70's. There was no gain in HP using solids. My car came with solids my brother still uses hydraulics. Barry

[Casey Miles]

I understand stock is no longer stock, and nhra ihas allowied the class to become modified product cars with something that resembles a stock car.
As far as hydraulic lifters, if there was no power gain why were they schimmed to act like solid lifters and now that they have to have only .010 movement it doesn't change the performance of an engine over a standard factory hydraulic? The valve lash was then built in to the lifters versus adjusting at the valve.

Nhra doesn't want to do their jobs that we "all" pay for, police the cars and HP factoring. That's what it comes down to.

Because someones car doesn't perform like other people's cars doesn't mean that they don't work hard at their combo.

BTW, the Chevy 302 is factored to 309 HP, that's 1.023 Hp per cubic inch. How many hydraulic lifter engines are even close to that?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

I understand stock is no longer stock, and nhra ihas allowied the class to become modified product cars with something that resembles a stock car.
As far as hydraulic lifters, if there was no power gain why were they schimmed to act like solid lifters and now that they have to have only .010 movement it doesn't change the performance of an engine over a standard factory hydraulic? The valve lash was then built in to the lifters versus adjusting at the valve.

Nhra doesn't want to do their jobs that we "all" pay for, police the cars and HP factoring. That's what it comes down to.

Because someones car doesn't perform like other people's cars doesn't mean that they don't work hard at their combo.

BTW, the Chevy 302 is factored to 309 HP, that's 1.023 Hp per cubic inch. How many hydraulic lifter engines are even close to that?

How many of them have 11.0:1 compression, 2.02"/1.60" valves, 0.485"/0.485" lift, a high rise aluminum intake, and a 750 carburetor on a 302 cubic inch engine? Or the RPM capability of that combination? The Wentzels are fast, Duzac and Peterson are fast, Brian Rogers is pretty quick, too.


It's cool that you race an icon, and one you've had for a long time.


But the rules are the rules, and NHRA is what it is.

[Chris1529]

[QUOTE=Alan Roehrich;568656]How many of them have 11.0:1 compression, 2.02"/1.60" valves, 0.485"/0.485" lift, a high rise aluminum intake, and a 750 carburetor on a 302 cubic inch engine? Or the RPM capability of that combination?


Sounds a lot like an IHRA Crate Motor combination to me!.. sorry... I couldn't resist!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

I understand stock is no longer stock, and nhra ihas allowied the class to become modified product cars with something that resembles a stock car.
As far as hydraulic lifters, if there was no power gain why were they schimmed to act like solid lifters and now that they have to have only .010 movement it doesn't change the performance of an engine over a standard factory hydraulic? The valve lash was then built in to the lifters versus adjusting at the valve.

Nhra doesn't want to do their jobs that we "all" pay for, police the cars and HP factoring. That's what it comes down to.

Because someones car doesn't perform like other people's cars doesn't mean that they don't work hard at their combo.

BTW, the Chevy 302 is factored to 309 HP, that's 1.023 Hp per cubic inch. How many hydraulic lifter engines are even close to that?

Hey Casey, please stop. This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is starting to seem like whining.

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=Casey Miles;

Nhra doesn't want to do their jobs that we "all" pay for, police the cars and HP factoring. That's what it comes down to.

This is what it ALL boils down to. Its the bottom $$$$$$$$ line that counts for NHRA. I guess your lucky the NHRA does what little inspection they do at INDY.

[X-TECH MAN]

While I'm in a "Good" mood and this really doesn't have anything to do with stock or S/S what do you guys and gals think about NHRA adding the MOUNTAIN MOTORS to the Pro stock program for 2019 and still retaining the 500 inch combos to run together. Carbs are optional on the big engines or FI and I assume a wt. allowance will be added to even things out. Just curious !

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

While I'm in a "Good" mood and this really doesn't have anything to do with stock or S/S what do you guys and gals think about NHRA adding the MOUNTAIN MOTORS to the Pro stock program for 2019 and still retaining the 500 inch combos to run together. Carbs are optional on the big engines or FI and I assume a wt. allowance will be added to even things out. Just curious !

Terry, sounds like a good subject for it's own thread.