Indy Class ...Enhanced !

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Bruce, you are truly one of God's special people.

Oh no, not really. I'm just delighted to see that you do understand the concept of fairness after all.

[Cotten]

Mr Gump
I respectfully think you are taking the chiller issue to far plus we are boh guilty of hi jacking this thread

I'm sorry I don't know who you are so I am not being condescending when I explain what actually happens at Indy.

If a racer is pitted a long way out he takes his chiller and his car to a friends pit spot who is closer and chills there. Then it starts clogging up as racers are on road in front of some other categories pit spot .

Nhra does not have the manpower or
I'm sure the inclination to verify whether racers are actually in there spot or not so it has evolved into people chilling in front of all the spots from back of staging lanes.

My post was that in the spirit of speeding things up( the original theme of this thread)
we should allow chilling in the staging lanes.

It really doesn't matter to me that much. I'll still chill in my auxiliary pit spot.

Great discussion. I'll give you the last word, I'm out.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Cotten

Mr Gump
I respectfully think you are taking the chiller issue to far plus we are boh guilty of hi jacking this thread

I'm sorry I don't know who you are so I am not being condescending when I explain what actually happens at Indy.

If a racer is pitted a long way out he takes his chiller and his car to a friends pit spot who is closer and chills there. Then it starts clogging up as racers are on road in front of some other categories pit spot .

Nhra does not have the manpower or
I'm sure the inclination to verify whether racers are actually in there spot or not so it has evolved into people chilling in front of all the spots from back of staging lanes.

My post was that in the spirit of speeding things up( the original theme of this thread)
we should allow chilling in the staging lanes.

It really doesn't matter to me that much. I'll still chill in my auxiliary pit spot.

Great discussion. I'll give you the last word, I'm out.

Hi,

I respectfully disagree. I have had a personal experience with this, but will add no more on open forum as you can't fix the past. I feel strongly that the rules should apply to all. My wife is pushing me hard to bring a chiller to the end of the lanes at Indy. My answer is always the same. Just because a lot of guys are doing it doesn't change the rules. Maybe I will ask the NHRA for clarification.

Gump is a nickname that I got while racing my Firebird in the nineties. My real name is Daren Poole-Adams. I am an avid fan of the new cars. I also pushed very hard for the COPO to get built. I have supported the program from day one and will continue to do so as long as I am having fun.

It is nothing new that Bruce hates the new cars. My stance has always been that they fit the rules as written.

People who have driven my COPO Camaros in NHRA competition over the last few years are Brenda Grubbs, Rodger Johnson, Robin Lawrence, AJ Currie, Emily Volkman, Larry Morgan, Chip Johnson, Steve Foley, and Jeff Warren.

Peace,

Daren

[Nmbr1GMfan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Hi,

I respectfully disagree. I have had a personal experience with this, but will add no more on open forum as you can't fix the past. I feel strongly that the rules should apply to all. My wife is pushing me hard to bring a chiller to the end of the lanes at Indy. My answer is always the same. Just because a lot of guys are doing it doesn't change the rules. Maybe I will ask the NHRA for clarification.

Gump is a nickname that I got while racing my Firebird in the nineties. My real name is Daren Poole-Adams. I am an avid fan of the new cars. I also pushed very hard for the COPO to get built. I have supported the program from day one and will continue to do so as long as I am having fun.

It is nothing new that Bruce hates the new cars. My stance has always been that they fit the rules as written.

People who have driven my COPO Camaros in NHRA competition over the last few years are Brenda Grubbs, Rodger Johnson, Robin Lawrence, AJ Currie, Emily Volkman, Larry Morgan, Chip Johnson, Steve Foley, and Jeff Warren.

Peace,

Daren

Daren was the first guy on this forum to offer me help. Definitely one of the good ones.

[Mark Yacavone]

Mr Gump,

Indy is a special deal. 180 cars trying to qualify for the first 128.
5 days.
Increased entry fee
Twice the entries.
Many S/SS racers are pitted past the sand traps.
It is now a flat out deal, with no AHFS in place.
Sounds like a good idea to me, to allow chillers in the lanes in wagons or hand trucks..No golf carts.

Noland has got a point here. Just find the guy who allowed the COPOs , Drag Paks , and CJ's to run Stock after 60 years of tradition, and have him change just one more rule for Indy only.
What's the problem?

[James Perrone]

Quote from one of the Greatest Cheetahs ever known:
Son ICE IS FOR BEER. ... That chiller is useless if you Have a fast car
Jim Marshall..".... Now me being SOFT my car needs all it can get.
Rules is rules By the way ever see Jim Boudreau. John Shaul. Or Jim Marshall using a chiller?

[GUMP]

Just find the guy who allowed the COPOs , Drag Paks , and CJ's to run Stock after 60 years of tradition, and have him change just one more rule for Indy only.

OK. So, which rule did they change when the 2008 Cobra Jet was introduced? I honestly can't remember which new rule was passed to get them into the guide.

I have no problem with chillers in the staging lanes. Just put it in writing.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

OK. So, which rule did they change when the 2008 Cobra Jet was introduced? I honestly can't remember which new rule was passed to get them into the guide.

I have no problem with chillers in the staging lanes. Just put it in writing.

I don't have any old rule books, but it was something about 500 cars and showroom available. Plenty of 60's FX and small quantity combos were not allowed in Stock.
Oh, and I guess it was only 48 years or so until this new "Stock" was created out of whole cloth. That guy is probably Senior VP by now.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by GUMP

OK. So, which rule did they change when the 2008 Cobra Jet was introduced? I honestly can't remember which new rule was passed to get them into the guide.

I have no problem with chillers in the staging lanes. Just put it in writing.

Don't play dumb!! You know very well they were brought in under the Special Assembly Run section and allowed to run in Stock. The problem is that they were all brought in with bogus weights and HP numbers. And you were very much aware of that as well. This created a supreme advantage for those of you who were chomping at the bit to take an unfair advantage of their fellow racers. I'll be glad to continue this debate if you want to. The lies have been told and the performance numbers are in the books. And the travesty continues to this day. At the time, it was easy for you to say its in the guide so its ok for me to beat the hell out of fellow competitors with my bogus combination. But we aren't forgetting, even though most of those responsible for this garbage are no longer involved in racing.