Indy Class ...Enhanced !

[MFR440]

I love the original intent of this post - as a FAN, it is really frustrating to see the classes all mixed up. It can't be THAT hard to run them from A-Z or vice versa. Doesn't NHRA send texts now to tell you when to be in the lanes? Get a text, and if you aren't there in 15 minutes, they run without you. If a Super Comp dragster got in my way from running a round of the Hemi Challenge, my Cuda or Dart would run their little rail over!

As for the whole chiller thing - isn't pitting at Indy decided by who you are or how much $$ your sponsor gives to NHRA to some extent? Joe Big Bucks Racer gets to park 100 yards from the lanes while Joe Little Guy Racer has to park in the back 40, 1/2 mile away through the Super Comp dragsters, Fans, Golf Carts, Harleys cruising the pits, etc. I personally don't have a problem with a "portable pit" as long as it's done out of the way of the lanes.

Whatever happens, I can't wait to get to Indy again!!

[Mark Yacavone]

Mr.Bailey brings up a great point here. One , I feel should be addressed through the SRC.

Now, I promise this will be the last post here, from me, about the Ff f fords.

I was asked a question here, and I had to research it through an unimpeachable source.
I believe this is what Mr.Gump was fishing for:

In 1997 , a new clause was added to the rule book, to allow special run, small batches of factory promotional toys to be allowed to run in Stock. Shortly thereafter, the 1993 Cobra R was entered into the class guide. I think I know who may have asked for it but it is irrelevant here.
The Cobra R combo was built in house, using various hi-po parts and deletions, @ 107 units there of. It had a VIN, was emissions legal, and was delivered through Ford dealers. Yes, you had to have a drag racing associated I.D. to purchase one.

Ff f forward to 2008, 50th anniversary of the original Cobra Jets. Fifty units were completed by Gapp and Roush. Unavailable to the public engine combo, roll cage, safety bell housing, spool and axles, etc. No VIN, not sold to the public through dealers, etc. You know the drill.
Mopar then followed suit, and then GM with the COPO's. We'll never know who's palm was crossed with what, today, but I believe this was the beginning of the non-stock Stockers. It's a real stretch to try to bring it back to 1997, in my opinion.

I'd suggest , for those who want to comment further on the FX cars, start a new thread or bring back an old one from the archives.
Over...

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Mr.Bailey brings up a great point here. One , I feel should be addressed through the SRC.

Now, I promise this will be the last post here, from me, about the Ff f fords.

I was asked a question here, and I had to research it through an unimpeachable source.
I believe this is what Mr.Gump was fishing for:

In 1997 , a new clause was added to the rule book, to allow special run, small batches of factory promotional toys to be allowed to run in Stock. Shortly thereafter, the 1993 Cobra R was entered into the class guide. I think I know who may have asked for it but it is irrelevant here.
The Cobra R combo was built in house, using various hi-po parts and deletions, @ 107 units there of. It had a VIN, was emissions legal, and was delivered through Ford dealers. Yes, you had to have a drag racing associated I.D. to purchase one.

Ff f forward to 2008, 50th anniversary of the original Cobra Jets. Fifty units were completed by Gapp and Roush. Unavailable to the public engine combo, roll cage, safety bell housing, spool and axles, etc. No VIN, not sold to the public through dealers, etc. You know the drill.
Mopar then followed suit, and then GM with the COPO's. We'll never know who's palm was crossed with what, today, but I believe this was the beginning of the non-stock Stockers. It's a real stretch to try to bring it back to 1997, in my opinion.

I'd suggest , for those who want to comment further on the FX cars, start a new thread or bring back an old one from the archives.
Over...

Actually, late in 1996 we wrote a letter to NHRA to allow us to run a 95 Cobra R in Stock, which they made 250 units. They allowed it and changed the rule in 1997.




Bret Velde
2003 SS/LA

[GUMP]

Mark,

I know when and what changed. My point was that no rule change was needed to add the factory cars. The racers themselves pushed for everything that opened the door.

Way back when Dale's site was the place to be I voiced my objections to many of those changes and received the same kind of replies that I have gotten on here.

Since I purchased my first COPO we have received the gift of roller rockers, any valve spring, and solid lifters. If asked, I would have said no to all three. But, I wasn't asked. All that does is drive up costs.

If you want to talk bogus I have a 1988 Cutlass that never had a VIN. It started at 138 HP and is now at 207 HP!!

Brett,

Is that the car that Beaver had for a while?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Mark,

I know when and what changed. My point was that no rule change was needed to add the factory cars. The racers themselves pushed for everything that opened the door.

Way back when Dale's site was the place to be I voiced my objections to many of those changes and received the same kind of replies that I have gotten on here.

Since I purchased my first COPO we have received the gift of roller rockers, any valve spring, and solid lifters. If asked, I would have said no to all three. But, I wasn't asked. All that does is drive up costs.

If you want to talk bogus I have a 1988 Cutlass that never had a VIN. It started at 138 HP and is now at 207 HP!!

Brett,

Is that the car that Beaver had for a while?

I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. I don't know of any people who were racing in stock in 2008 , that asked for factory sponsored, special built 100K Stockers. In fact ,those cars might be part of the reason that everybody got roller rockers, eventually.
Yes, I know about the no VIN cars. I drove a couple of them. They were pilot cars off the front of the line that were used for test purposes. I mentioned that only for comparison's sake..Cobra R vs. 2008 CJ's, etc.
Enough with this hijack, okay?

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Mark,

I know when and what changed. My point was that no rule change was needed to add the factory cars. The racers themselves pushed for everything that opened the door.

Way back when Dale's site was the place to be I voiced my objections to many of those changes and received the same kind of replies that I have gotten on here.

Since I purchased my first COPO we have received the gift of roller rockers, any valve spring, and solid lifters. If asked, I would have said no to all three. But, I wasn't asked. All that does is drive up costs.

If you want to talk bogus I have a 1988 Cutlass that never had a VIN. It started at 138 HP and is now at 207 HP!!

Brett,

Is that the car that Beaver had for a while?

No, we raced it for a couple years and sold it to one of our employees and he still has the car today





Bret Velde
2003 SS/LA