65 Spring Nationals - Who were they?

Rat Patrol · 07-23-2019, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart Way

If the Springnationals were in Bristol that year, there was no SS. Street was Fred Napfel over Carl Kirk. Stock was Mike Schmitt over Robert Borkes and Jr Stock was Bill Hoefer over Doug Patterson. This is from the 2006 NHRA Media Guide. No SS until 66 and then only at the Winternationals. SS became an every event elim in 67. There was a Top Stock in 66 also at Indy and Tulsa
.

Thx for the correction..

.....of course I meant S/S and S/SA which was the super stock class abbrev before 66.

There were runners in these classes at the Winters and Indy in 65....so I cant work out why not the Spring Nats?

340Cuda · 07-25-2019, 10:42 AM

My recollection and I was there, was that all the 65 Hemi cars were disqualified for hidden or illegal ballast.

The cars weighted less than the shipping weight when delivered.

That is why you later saw all the gas tank shields, non functional rear mounted traction bars etc.

If you can get a hold of Joe Smith former driver for Fenner Tubbs, he might be able to fill in the blanks. I think he still has Joe Smith Race Cars in the Dallas area. Could be wrong.

However I do also have a recollection of the "Black Arrow" running in eliminations. So maybe they just DQed the winner and runner up in class. Long time ago.

Rat Patrol · 07-26-2019, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 340Cuda

My recollection and I was there, was that all the 65 Hemi cars were disqualified for hidden or illegal ballast.

The cars weighted less than the shipping weight when delivered.

That is why you later saw all the gas tank shields, non functional rear mounted traction bars etc.

If you can get a hold of Joe Smith former driver for Fenner Tubbs, he might be able to fill in the blanks. I think he still has Joe Smith Race Cars in the Dallas area. Could be wrong.

However I do also have a recollection of the "Black Arrow" running in eliminations. So maybe they just DQed the winner and runner up in class. Long time ago.

Thanks very much for the input. That confirms what I heard.

Rat Patrol · 01-04-2021, 01:34 AM

Resurrecting this thread - Would anyone have a pic or know the name of Robert Borkes car? I believe it was a Dodge?

DeuceCoupe · 01-06-2021, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Resurrecting this thread - Would anyone have a pic or know the name of Robert Borkes car? I believe it was a Dodge?

Rat,
Do you have a results sheet for 65 Springnationals?
I'm totally missing info on that meet.

Rat Patrol · 01-09-2021, 11:44 PM

Deuce

This is what I have from my own research and web site which is still in process. I’ll post Spring Nats and INDY seperately

66. Winternationals Pomona

Top Stock Eliminator
Shirley Shahan
def
K Heinemann (Mopar) A/SA

SS/A 65 Plymouth A990 - Drag On lady
426 Race Hemi
11.26 @ 126.76

AFXJerry Harvey
def
Les Ritchie

66 Mustang
427 SOHC

BFX

CFX
Ed Terry

66 Galaxie
289 quad webbers

Super Stock Auto - S/SA
Joe Smith
def.
S Shahan (Mopar)

Plymouth A990 - Fenner Tubbs
426 Race Hemi
11.32 @ 126.93

Super Stock Stick - S/S
Butch Leal
Bye

Plymouth
A990 - California Flash
426 Race Hemi
11.5

A/SA
Dick Charbonneau
def
Fred Sanders (Mopar)

63 Plymouth
Stage 1 426 wedge
11.81 @ 119.52

A/S
Don Grotheer
def Jenkins (Chevy11 2800lbs!)

66 Plymouth (3650lbs!)
426 street hemi
11.98 @ 119.84

Junior Stock Eliminator
Wiley Cossey
def
Bob Chiesa (58 Pontiac E/SA)

65 Biscayne B/S
427
12.49

Rat Patrol · 01-09-2021, 11:48 PM

Oops sorry....that was 66. I’ll post up 65 shortly

07-25-2019, 10:42 AM	#2
340Cuda VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,683 Likes: 3,938 Liked 817 Times in 342 Posts	Re: 65 Spring Nationals - Who were they? My recollection and I was there, was that all the 65 Hemi cars were disqualified for hidden or illegal ballast. The cars weighted less than the shipping weight when delivered. That is why you later saw all the gas tank shields, non functional rear mounted traction bars etc. If you can get a hold of Joe Smith former driver for Fenner Tubbs, he might be able to fill in the blanks. I think he still has Joe Smith Race Cars in the Dallas area. Could be wrong. However I do also have a recollection of the "Black Arrow" running in eliminations. So maybe they just DQed the winner and runner up in class. Long time ago.

01-04-2021, 01:34 AM	#4
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 171 Likes: 69 Liked 32 Times in 27 Posts	Re: 65 Spring Nationals - Who were they? Resurrecting this thread - Would anyone have a pic or know the name of Robert Borkes car? I believe it was a Dodge?

01-09-2021, 11:44 PM	#6
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 171 Likes: 69 Liked 32 Times in 27 Posts	Re: 65 Spring Nationals - Who were they? Deuce This is what I have from my own research and web site which is still in process. I’ll post Spring Nats and INDY seperately 66. Winternationals Pomona Top Stock Eliminator Shirley Shahan def K Heinemann (Mopar) A/SA SS/A 65 Plymouth A990 - Drag On lady 426 Race Hemi 11.26 @ 126.76 AFXJerry Harvey def Les Ritchie 66 Mustang 427 SOHC BFX CFX Ed Terry 66 Galaxie 289 quad webbers Super Stock Auto - S/SA Joe Smith def. S Shahan (Mopar) Plymouth A990 - Fenner Tubbs 426 Race Hemi 11.32 @ 126.93 Super Stock Stick - S/S Butch Leal Bye Plymouth A990 - California Flash 426 Race Hemi 11.5 A/SA Dick Charbonneau def Fred Sanders (Mopar) 63 Plymouth Stage 1 426 wedge 11.81 @ 119.52 A/S Don Grotheer def Jenkins (Chevy11 2800lbs!) 66 Plymouth (3650lbs!) 426 street hemi 11.98 @ 119.84 Junior Stock Eliminator Wiley Cossey def Bob Chiesa (58 Pontiac E/SA) 65 Biscayne B/S 427 12.49 Last edited by Rat Patrol; 01-09-2021 at 11:47 PM.

01-09-2021, 11:48 PM	#7
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 171 Likes: 69 Liked 32 Times in 27 Posts	Re: 65 Spring Nationals - Who were they? Oops sorry....that was 66. I’ll post up 65 shortly

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