Horsepower welfare changes.....

[Billy Nees]

Barry, HP increases must be given on a percentage basis. You can't (well, you can, NHRA did for years) just give HP 3 or 5 or 10 at a time. As an example, a 3 HP hit to an A car (8.00 lbs.) is a 24 lb. weight penalty. The same 3 HP hit to a U car (20 lbs.) is 60 lbs.! Now look at your 10 HP hit, 80 vs. 200 lbs.!

[B Parker]

Billy you are correct. My point was to make the system simple and so less games have to be played all year to avoid a hp hit. If you do go fast but not too fast you get a minor amount of hp not enough to ruin your combo. Something that would only make you have to carry about 20 pds. If you go real fast you get a hp hit to put you inline with what the hp should be for that combo.
The KISS rule should be in effort for the AHFS BP

[B Parker]

I'm sure I'll get attacked for this one. But how many comb's in 600ft of air or less in a heads up run on kill do you think can go somewhere around 1:20 under. Maybe not your car but someone else that is running your combo. Here is something I don't want to see happen. Lets take the 1969 350/255 hp combo. There are a lot of them out there. And that combo has been beat on as much as any. Now Indy has shown the 350 combo is not the fastest in the class the last several years. So you get two H/SA cars one being the 350 and the other a Chrysler heads up in a later round at a race. Both are on kill and the air is good say 600ft. The 350 wins and only by .03 and goes 1.22under. The 350 is already not the fastest in the class so how much more weight and further behind do we want to put them. BP

[James Perrone]

How about run class at divisionals
. More cars involved .
More chances for fast runs .
Think about it. With 60 cars at National events nobody gonna get HP
Usually the #1 qualifier will go 1 second under. And mineshaft happens
Also Indy needs to count. It’s the only race that people will go stupid fast.
This is a way to make the system work.
The sandbagging at a class race will not work.

[Frank Castros]

You have a no expense spared, state of the art, cutting edge, amazingly beautiful Stock Eliminator car that you have worked very, very hard to refine it's carefully chosen combination to run like a bat out of hell, only to very carefully protect it's factor by not running too fast or fast too often, even if means racing to 1000 feet during a heads up run against a formidable foe.

What am I missing here?

[Randy Wells]

Frank, I think it is hey went 10.05 at 105 MPH, no HP but you still know that car is stupid fast.

Randy Wells
Wells Bros
C/SA

[Frank Castros]

I wish I knew a solution to the AHFS, Index and factoring quagmire and hope someone much smarter than me does, so the issue will be resolved and we can enjoy performance based RACING not this sandbagging bull****.

[Larry Hill]

The 60th US Nationals was the last year all runs counted for the AHFS. Ask me how I know. I got 29 HP in a 22 lb class for going - 2.452 under index. The engine was rated at factory HP. It took two plus years of work to get that done. I'm not crying in my beer I knew the rules and took the hit with a smile on my face.

I don't know what the answer is but whatever the rules are I will try to adapt. I have a few Saturdays left so we have fun until we can't do it any more. Jimmy Malone said it best "This getting old stuff is not for the meek". Back to work!

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

You have a no expense spared, state of the art, cutting edge, amazingly beautiful Stock Eliminator car that you have worked very, very hard to refine it's carefully chosen combination to run like a bat out of hell, only to very carefully protect it's factor by not running too fast or fast too often, even if means racing to 1000 feet during a heads up run against a formidable foe.

What am I missing here?

Just a thought here....
Could it be the stupid fast car owners do not want let other competitors in the class know how quick the car can go?

[Nick Heath]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Just a thought here....
Could it be the stupid fast car owners do not want let other competitors in the class know how quick the car can go?

To a point. Shutting off your A/SA in the second round of class to run 10.10 at 100mph is simple head games.

However something is very broken when the #1 qualifier at every event always seems to be about -0.98 under, and a -1.00 under run 10 years ago (before the index changes) means you're a sitting duck in a heads up race in a popular class.