Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers

[JEFF ESSMANN]

Originally Posted by oldskool

This was just called to my attention. Phil Szupka was voted into the div 1 Hall of Fame.

https://www.classracer.com/classforu...23&postcount=1

I assume this 1st pic is from Indy, since there appear to be so many fans, in the stands. The 2nd pic shows him in a '72 GTO.

I currently own the 72 gto bought it from jerry stealy who bought it from phil hopefully it will be on the track in division 5 in 2021 after I retire and have a life again

[oldskool]

OK, just got the names of 3 more possible Pontiac class racer engine builders. A Pontiac engine builder who doesn't do class engines, recommended Competition Components.

https://www.buyracingparts.com/

For those on the East coast, he recommended Richie Hoffman. I think his shop is on Long Island.

https://www.facebook.com/richie.hoffman.520125

Richie also recommended Todd Hoven.

https://www.facebook.com/todd.hoven.3

I'll try to contact some of the big name Pontiac builders & see if any of them have any Stock/SS engines out there.

[gmeyer]

Paul K on the pontiac forum could build you a very nice piece

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by gmeyer

Paul K on the pontiac forum could build you a very nice piece

He said he'd done some heads, but doesn't do class racer shortblocks. He's the guy who recommended Competition Components.

I heard back from KRE. They don't do class racer engines either. Jeff said "...Just not our line of engine work."

[oldskool]

Don't think I posted any of these pics here. It's the Ken Shawver '78 Bird, when Monte Howard was racing it.

[ss3011]

Originally Posted by JEFF ESSMANN

I currently own the 72 gto bought it from jerry stealy who bought it from phil hopefully it will be on the track in division 5 in 2021 after I retire and have a life again

I think Jerry Stealy also had a 71/72 Lemans wagon that ran in Super Stock

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by ss3011

I think Jerry Stealy also had a 71/72 Lemans wagon that ran in Super Stock

The only 72 Lemans wagons I really remember are the 2 that Gary Wood had, which ran Stock. They were named Tons-a-Fun. Anybody know what happened to those wagons ?

[SS/Pontiac]

Originally Posted by ss3011

I think Jerry Stealy also had a 71/72 Lemans wagon that ran in Super Stock

Yes Jerry Stealy had a yellow 1972 Lemans wagon SS/KA. My brother Carroll Warling had a Maroon 1974 Lemans wagon SS/OA

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by SS/Pontiac

Yes Jerry Stealy had a yellow 1972 Lemans wagon SS/KA. My brother Carroll Warling had a Maroon 1974 Lemans wagon SS/OA

Norman, are there any pics of Carroll's wagon you could post ?

The car in the 2nd pic has a different perm number, and no names on the side. But, I assume it's the same car.

[oldskool]

It has been brought to my attention that it can cost from $6,000 to $11,000 to have a set of Pontiac iron SS heads done correctly, if you wanna have a set that will flow enuff to make big power.

I understand that lots of guys have plenty of retirement money to spend, or have plenty from whatever source, & spending $100,000 or more for a race car is pretty common place.

But, having always been a low budget racer(not by choice), I've always looked for ways to win, without spending max dollars.

I don't have a clue what all has to be done to iron heads, that could cost nearly $10k or more. But, it apparently involves reshaping ports for max power, and doing it in such a way as to pass tech.

Anyhow, if there is such a thing as building a lower budget SS car, that will just barely run under it's index, what is the min amount of work that would have to be done to the heads. You know, I'm from the old school, where a good 3-angle valve job & a simple gasket match, blended back into the ports was about all that was done to heads, for high performance street or bracket racing.

I was so ignorant of class racer tricks that, until I got online a few years back, I'd never even heard of acid porting Stocker heads. Heads-Up use to have a section on their website talkin about their version of this process. Haven't been able to find that section in recent years.

https://www.castheads.com/cylinder-h.../acid-porting/

https://www.manta.com/cp/mx79fbv/518...take-manifolds

I know that Heads-Up has done the heads for some 10-sec Pontiac Stockers. Several of these 10-sec Stockers run quick enuff to run under their SS index, even in Stock legal form. So, for someone wanting to build a lower budget SS car, that will just barely run under it's index, what would it cost them to have their iron Pontiac heads treated to the 10-sec Stocker head build ? Are we talkin $5k ? More ?

To get down on simpler terms that I can understand, aprox how much difference in ET would there be between some as cast iron heads with the correct valve job for racing, the acid ported(or whatever the latest Stocker head tricks are) Stocker heads, and the all out high dollar SS head build. I mean are we talkin about a half sec potential difference between each level, or a whole sec, or even more. Just need some ball park figures.

Some of you guys who have been doing this for a long time, how much have you gained, ET-wise, from the old method of building SS heads, to the way they do 'em now ? Is the new method worth a sec, 2 sec, or ? Not talkin about anything done to the shortblock, but just from the difference in head work & cam change that head work allowed.

I know this info is probably old hat stuff to lots of long time racers. But it's all very interesting to me. And, I assume there are a few younger guys here who don't know about all the changes that have come about, over the last 40 or 50 years.