Lawsuit over cylinder heads

[Gary Smith]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Deemed illegal?

You are a newbie to the class. Your 10.5 tire racing does not make you an expert in what is involved in Stock and Super Stock racing, especially to building engines for the class.

The modifications in Super Stock cylinder heads in question have been accepted for years. As it has been said before, there is a big difference between those that put a lot of effort and money to go fast and those that do not want to work on their stuff and complain when others go fast. It also pertains not only to Chevy engines, but to other makes too.

There is a lot more to the story that you are aware of and I believe all you are doing is fishing for information and details to create gossip.

Like Jared Jordan stated earlier, which I commend him for, it is better to stay out of it and not get involved in something you do not have the knowledge about and not involved in.

I was kind to Sean Cour's statement only because he doesn't know Tim and I've known the Cour family for a while. But I don't know you and will say you don't know Tim at all either. He and I have both been around class racing longer than many of you racers have even been involved in the sport and seen it all, well before the 10.5 stuff. And I guarantee he didn't buy Kip Martin's car "sight unseen" we both been around Kip as far back when he ran his 352 Galaxie. "Newbie" he is not. He's got the walk to back up the talk when it comes to Super Stock knowledge. I suggest you get your facts before assuming.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Gary Smith

I was kind to Sean Cour's statement only because he doesn't know Tim and I've known the Cour family for a while. But I don't know you and will say you don't know Tim at all either. He and I have both been around class racing longer than many of you racers have even been involved in the sport and seen it all, well before the 10.5 stuff. And I guarantee he didn't buy Kip Martin's car "sight unseen" we both been around Kip as far back when he ran his 352 Galaxie. "Newbie" he is not. He's got the walk to back up the talk when it comes to Super Stock knowledge. I suggest you get your facts before assuming.

You don't have to be kind to either Sean or I; we are all adults.
Like Sean stated earlier, the problem with the posting is making comments without knowing all the facts of the case.

By the way, I am very familiar with PACER and you just don't "stumble" into information or just falls on your lap. PACER is a legal search database and you must perform the search on a specific term, name or phrase.

Therefore, my speculation is the search was performed based on statements made by others, rumor, casual talk or gossip without knowing the actual facts of the case.

[nhramnl]

It's fun to watch this, but kinda sad, too. Apparently, the collective memory of racers is short. See, I remember back to when ported heads weren't legal, and NHRA caught guys who had them. Were they punished? Nope. NHRA just made ported heads legal. And then, there were things like gas-ported pistons (formerly illegal, now legal), un-shrouded combustion chambers (formerly illegal, now legal), aftermarket blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, wrist pins, (all formerly illegal, now legal), "replacement" cylinder heads (formerly illegal, now legal), and on and on, and on. Super Stock bears no resemblance whatsoever to the class that existed when it came into being, decades ago, but there are very few who would say we should go back to those days. The class has continuously evolved, rightly or wrongly, and there has never been any turning back. John Gulius consciously pushed the envelope, because that's precisely what his customers wanted to buy... his mind, in addition to his hands. And he delivered, consistently. A shame now, that after all of "paper-tiger" actions of the NHRA over the years (some fair, some absolutely inexplicable) that an innovator, pioneer and BIG thinker in the class has to defend his decades-long reputation.

[nolongerracing]

Originally Posted by nhramnl

It's fun to watch this, but kinda sad, too. Apparently, the collective memory of racers is short. See, I remember back to when ported heads weren't legal, and NHRA caught guys who had them. Were they punished? Nope. NHRA just made ported heads legal. And then, there were things like gas-ported pistons (formerly illegal, now legal), un-shrouded combustion chambers (formerly illegal, now legal), aftermarket blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, wrist pins, (all formerly illegal, now legal), "replacement" cylinder heads (formerly illegal, now legal), and on and on, and on. Super Stock bears no resemblance whatsoever to the class that existed when it came into being, decades ago, but there are very few who would say we should go back to those days. The class has continuously evolved, rightly or wrongly, and there has never been any turning back. John Gulius consciously pushed the envelope, because that's precisely what his customers wanted to buy... his mind, in addition to his hands. And he delivered, consistently. A shame now, that after all of "paper-tiger" actions of the NHRA over the years (some fair, some absolutely inexplicable) that an innovator, pioneer and BIG thinker in the class has to defend his decades-long reputation.

So... If I'm reading your post correctly, everything that Gulius has done that was "illegal" on a superstock engine now should be made "legal" because he is an innovator, pioneer, and big thinker? I call Bull****!!
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[Bruce Noland]

It cost the Pro Stock truck guys cubic dollars to fight nhra. After a few years, it appears they recieved a generous settlement after an ugly fight. But those guys had huge investments to recoup and they had truck loads of dough and time to fight nhra. I don't know much about the issues here but the plaintiff(s) better have big bucks and probably better representation.

[nhramnl]

Originally Posted by nolongerracing

So... If I'm reading your post correctly, everything that Gulius has done that was "illegal" on a superstock engine now should be made "legal" because he is an innovator, pioneer, and big thinker? I call Bull****!!
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Yeah, sure. That's what I said...

[Ed Wright]

I hope you guys can forgive a very old guy for not understanding what was ruled illegal about Mr Gulius’ heads? I have tried to read all this, but must have missed something.
Exactly what was ruled illegal about his Chevy Super Stock heads?
Thank you!
Ed

[bykr]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I hope you guys can forgive a very old guy for not understanding what was ruled illegal about Mr Gulius’ heads? I have tried to read all this, but must have missed something.
Exactly what was ruled illegal about his Chevy Super Stock heads?
Thank you!
Ed

Ed here you go:
https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...ad.php?t=74879

[nolongerracing]

Originally Posted by nhramnl

Yeah, sure. That's what I said...

So, you are saying that Gulius was doing port work before it was legal, doing chamber work before it was legal, gas porting pistons before it was legal because his customers wanted it? In your words, is that what you are saying?

[nhramnl]

Originally Posted by nolongerracing

So, you are saying that Gulius was doing port work before it was legal, doing chamber work before it was legal, gas porting pistons before it was legal because his customers wanted it? In your words, is that what you are saying?

And who are you, the Attorney General? I didn't SAY any of those things. You inferred them. What I ACTUALLY SAID was that it's a shame that, in a world where rule bending and breaking is accepted as the price of admission, it's a shame that a long-established leader in Super Stock engine building has to defend his work and career. And that's ALL I said.