Pray for ALL racers and families

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

I'm glad you enjoy your religion. And I'm sure there are folks who benefit from it now and then, as a crutch to get themselves through difficult times.

But, in reality religion is nothing more than fantasy theater. All the players get bit parts and play it out as they see fit. But there is absolutely no proof that any god exists, or has ever existed. God is simply a man made fiction that can be used to control large groups of people as Constatine discovered in 330AD.

So who created you Bruce? There is much proof to God's existence. Constatine is only man's opinion, Give me proof He doesn't exist.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by BRETV

So who created you Bruce? There is much proof to God's existence. Constatine is only man's opinion, Give me proof He doesn't exist.




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Nice try. But when it comes to god, the burden of proof is on you. Good luck with that!

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Nice try. But when it comes to god, the burden of proof is on you. Good luck with that!

No, you said God didn't exist, it's on you to prove it. So again, who created you?

And you are right about religion, it does control people with it's rules. What I'm saying is, this is ALL about a relationship, not a set of religious rules to follow. We follow Him and His rules or I should say commandments because we are thankful for what HE has done and died for us. And the commandments He put into place is for our own good and well being. Just like when you were a kid and your father gave you rules to follow, to keep you safe and out of trouble. Again, it's about a relationship, NOT a religion or set of rules.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by BRETV

No, you said God didn't exist, it's on you to prove it. So again, who created you?

And you are right about religion, it does control people with it's rules. What I'm saying is, this is ALL about a relationship, not a set of religious rules to follow. We follow Him and His rules or I should say commandments because we are thankful for what HE has done and died for us. And the commandments He put into place is for our own good and well being. Just like when you were a kid and your father gave you rules to follow, to keep you safe and out of trouble. Again, it's about a relationship, NOT a religion or set of rules.



Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Lol. You're running now. You've been out here making extraordinary claims and can't prove one single word of it and now you're in a corner. Not one bit sorry for you. Prove it or admit you can't. Its not up to me to prove a darn thing when it comes to the gods.

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Lol. You're running now. You've been out here making extraordinary claims and can't prove one single word of it and now you're in a corner. Not one bit sorry for you. Prove it or admit you can't. Its not up to me to prove a darn thing when it comes to the gods.

Running? Who's running? Sorry for me? You came on here disagreeing with me, saying that there is no God.The proof is, look in the mirror at yourself, if He didn't create you, who or what did?


By the way, by no means I'm trying to judge or condemn you and your belief, I'm just asking your opinion on who you think created you, if God didn't?





Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Mark Yacavone]

Short break time..before this gets out of hand:

[BRETV]

Mark,

Don't worry it won't get outta hand, No anger from my side at all. Just a discussion. We will probably agree to disagree, but that's okay. Thanks for the video!





Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by BRETV

Running? Who's running? Sorry for me? You came on here disagreeing with me, saying that there is no God.The proof is, look in the mirror at yourself, if He didn't create you, who or what did?


By the way, by no means I'm trying to judge or condemn you and your belief, I'm just asking your opinion on who you think created you, if God didn't?





Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

In hind sight, I guess it was a bit of a loaded question to ask you to prove there is a god of any type. After all men have been trying to do it ever since they created him. Even the theologians at prestigious divinity schools have accepted the fact that they cannot prove there is or ever was a god. So for me to ask you to do it was unfair. In fact, man created the gods and not the other way around. We are on this earth for the very same reasons that every other organism that has ever lived or crawled, flown, swam, or walked: Chemistry and Biology!

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

In hind sight, I guess it was a bit of a loaded question to ask you to prove there is a god of any type. After all men have been trying to do it ever since they created him. Even the theologians at prestigious divinity schools have accepted the fact that they cannot prove there is or ever was a god. So for me to ask you to do it was unfair. In fact, man created the gods and not the other way around. We are on this earth for the very same reasons that every other organism that has ever lived or crawled, flown, swam, or walked: Chemistry and Biology!

Bruce,

Let's talk about something we both agree on. If I read or heard this correctly, you are building a 69 Trans Am stocker. Our good friend had 2 for many years, 1 he bought from the original owners in the late 2000's. I have always loved those cars. Can't wait to see it. Good luck with it and much success.




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

We are on this earth for the very same reasons that every other organism that has ever lived or crawled, flown, swam, or walked: Chemistry and Biology!

Bruce,
We are the only group who race Stockers....Good luck with yours
Check out Dr Michael Behe, Biochemist.

Mike A114