Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 03:27 PM

I've noticed that since they moved these Pontiac threads to the Nostalgia section, I get very few answers to any questions.

For most questions, it's total crickets.

It's like very few guys ever even look in this section. Maybe the powers that be got tired of seeing these Pontiac threads keep popping back to the top, in the Stock/SS section.

Oh well, I enjoyed lookin up all the info & learned a LOT I didn't know, from guys who actually saw these old Pontiacs race, & from some who actually raced 'em.

So, to all who have contributed to these Pontiac threads, THANKS ! I really appreciate it !

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 05:10 PM

Was glancing back thru this thread & saw where I said we'd take a closer look at some of the Pontiac powered GT cars. Several were mentioned, especially those that are currently racing.

But, looks like I never got around to posting some results from the GT cars that were racing back in the earlier days of DRC.

I'll begin with the Don Kennedy 3rd gen. I assume it was his 1st GT car. If I get any of this info wrong, somebody can correct it, if anybody who knows ever reads this.

I'll post some of the car's better info from DRC. I'm pretty sure he ran an SD455 engine in that car.

1/30/98 - Winter Nats - #17 - 9.893 - .807 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

2/21/98 - AZ Nats - #15 - .912 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop

At #16 on that list is Sal Biondo, driving an '82 GT Bird. I assume it's the same Hatari Bird that Peter drove.

2/26/99 - AZ Nats - #14 - .869 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop

2/25/00 - AZ Nats - #31 - .815 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

4/6/00 - Vegas Summit Nats - #43 - .699 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop

2/15/01 - AZ Nats - #27 - .710 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

5/5/01 - Vegas Summit Nats - #47 - .735 under - GT/CA Class Winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

7/6/01 - Pep Boys Nats - #27 - .706 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

10/26/01 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #46 - .881 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

2/22/02 - AZ Nats - #25 - .797 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

3/2/02 - div 7-1 - #19 - .813 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

4/5/02 - Vegas Summit Nats - #23 - .798 under - GT/CA Class Winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

10/24/02 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #28 - .899 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

2/7/03 - Winter Nats - #42 - .719 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

2/21/03 - AZ Nats - #15 - .871 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

3/1/03 - div 7-1 - #20 - .858 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

3/29/03 - div 7-2 - #19 - .951 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

4/4/03 - Vegas Summit Nats - #29 - .902 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

10/24/03 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #46 - 1.004 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

11/1/03 - div 7-6 - #51 - .952 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

3/13/04 - div 7-1 - #15 - .822 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

3/27/04 - div 7-2 - #13 - .959 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

4/2/04 - Vegas Summit Nats - #14 - 1.029 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

7/3/04 - div 7-5 - #17 - .921 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

10/29/04 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #47 - 1.052 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

11/6/04 - div 7-6 - #43 - 1.057 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 05:12 PM

Don K. GT Bird contd.

2/11/05 - Winter Nats - #21 - .929 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

3/5/05 - div 7-1 - #24 - .868 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

4/2/05 - div 7-2 - #17 - 1.071 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

4/15/05 - Vegas Summit Nats - #21 - .935 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

10/28/05 - div 7-7 - #32 - 1.018 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

2/25/06 - AZ Nats - #30 - .943 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

3/4/06 - div 7-1 - #24 - .917 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

3/25/06 - div 7-2 - #15 - 1.105 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

4/7/06 - Vegas Summit Nats - #28 - .977 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

9/30/06 - Sports Nats - #7 - .988 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

10/27/06 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #43 - 1.160 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

11/3/06 - div 7-6 - #24 - 1.165 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

2/9/07 - Winter Nats - #33 - .979 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

2/24/07 - AZ Nats - #33 - .922 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

3/3/07 - div 7-1 - #29 - .963 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

3/10/07 - div 7-2 - #13 - 1.221 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

4/21/07 - div 7-3 - #22 - 1.048 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

10/26/07 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #42 - 1.130 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

2/8/08 - Winter Nats - #18 - 1.051 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

2/23/08 - AZ Nats - #23 - .975 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

3/1/08 - div 7-1 - #29 - .900 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

3/8/08 - div 7-2 - #20 - 1.173 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

4/11/08 - Vegas Summit Nats - #16 - 1.105 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

10/31/08 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #68 - .996 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

3/7/09 - div 7-2 - #20 - 1.046 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

4/4/09 - Vegas Summit Nats - #44 - .973 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

Later in the '09 season, Don switched over to his little Sunfire, which has been mentioned. I don't know, for sure, what happened to his GT Bird. I think somebody said it is still racing overseas. Seems that several old Pontiac Stock/SS cars have been shipped to Sweden.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 06:54 PM

One of the 3rd gen GT Birds I wanna mention again was raced by Steve Smith. I'd seen that name on Q-lists, but had no idea the car was Pontiac powered, til somebody posted it.

5/17/01 - Englishtown - #36 - .927 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

8/31/01 - US Nats - #75 - .823 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

10/4/01 - Pep Boys Nats - #22 - .921 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop

4/26/02 - Thunder Valley Nats - #16 - .886 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

5/26/02 - div 1-1 - #43 - Race Winner !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

6/8/02 - div 1-2 - #16 - .982 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

6/22/02 - div 1-3 - #19 - .927 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

8/10/02 - div 1-6 - #15 - .946 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

8/25/02 - div 1-7 - #20 - .899 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

8/31/02 - US Nats - #98 - .905 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

9/13/02 - Lucas Oil Nats - #42 - .978 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop

"How bout Steve Smith's 91 formula div 1 championship 400 6x car 9.80's..."

Noticed that his car wore the #5 during the '03 season. So, I assumed he was div 1 champ in '02.

"Super Stock
1. Steven Smith
2. Sal Biondo
3. Bob Letellier"

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=30435

5/16/03 - Englishtown - #11 - 9.941 - 1.159 under - Perm number 5.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop

5/29/04 - div 1-1 - #26 - 1.013 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

6/17/04 - Super Nats - #29 - .803 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

9/17/04 - Lucas Oil Nats - #36 - 1.018 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=1564

10/17/04 - Dutch Classic - #17 - 1.064 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop

6/17/05 - Englishtown - #34 - .989 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop

5/28/06 - div 1-1 - #24 - 1.017 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

8/26/06 - div 1-4 - #29 - .951 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

9/2/06 - US Nats - #26 - 1.113 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

9/30/06 - Toyo Tires Nats - #5 - 1.223 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop

6/21/07 - Englishtown - #9 - 1.090 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

8/25/07 - div 1-5 - #17 - .955 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

9/8/07 - div 1-6 - #32 - .912 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

9/22/07 - div 1-7 - #43 - .961 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

10/20/07 - Dutch Classic - #18 - 1.108 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...B0ldA--&GI_ID=

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 07:29 PM

Steve Smith 3rd gen GT Bird contd.

5/24/08 - div 1-2 - #40 - 1.007 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

6/19/08 - Englishtown - #39 - .960 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

8/15/08 - Toyo Tires Nats - #6 - 9.991 - 1.109 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

8/30/08 - US Nats - #51 - 1.034 under - Semi-Final Finish.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

10/4/08 - div 1-7 - #28 - 9.963 - 1.137 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

5/23/09 - div 1-2 - #27 - 1.007 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

6/12/09 - Englishtown - #22 - .920 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

8/21/09 - Toyo Tires Nats - #13 - .983 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

9/5/09 - US Nats - #52 - 9.97 - 1.130 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

9/12/09 - div 1-6 - #17 - 1.066 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

10/3/09 - div 1-7 - #7 - 1.168 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

5/1/10 - div 1-1 - #51 - .485 under. Looks like maybe a larger engine, moving him up a few classes to GT/CA. Not as good against the index.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

5/29/10 - div 1-2 - #46 - .575 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

6/10/10 - Englishtown - #27 - 9.646 - .754 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

8/21/10 - div 1-4 - #35 - .651 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

10/2/10 - div 1-6 - #25 - .785 under. Apparently went back to the smaller engine & GT/FA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop

9/2/11 - US Nats - #44 - GT/GA - .879 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

10/7/11 - Auto-Plus Nats - #12 - .945 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop

6/1/12 - Englishtown - #40 - .774 under - 3rd Place Finish.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

9/1/12 - US Nats - #77 - .852 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop

10/3/13 - Auto-Plus Nats - #16 - .848 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2013#indextop

5/30/14 - Englishtown - #18 - 9.953 - .947 under - GT/GA Class Winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop

Don't know if that was the last time Steve raced the car, or not. I do know that Scott Burton was listed as the driver at the 2015 US Nats.

9/5/15 - US Nats - #97 - .775 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

Obviously, Steve was the previous owner of the 3rd gen that Scott & Brad Burton have been racing for several years. Still has the same paint scheme, complete with blue stripe.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID=

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 08:55 PM

Now we'll look again at the 3rd gen GT Bird driven by Greg Meyer. It's usually listed as a '92 model. Greg runs a 400 engine. I think he's used both 4X & 6X heads. Not sure. If he ever reads this, he can correct info as needed.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...8&postcount=25

6/4/09 - Route 66 Nats - #29 - 1.006 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=182963

9/4/09 - US Nats - #85 - 1.091 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

8/15/14 - Lucas Oil Nats - #6 - .861 under - GT/HA Class Win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=289379

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=289462

8/21/15 - Lucas Oil Nats - #3 - .969 under - GT/HA Class Win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=303796

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=303795

8/18/16 - Lucas Oil Nats - #2 - .878 under - GT/HA Class Win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=316975

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=316978

8/17/17 - Lucas Oil Nats - #3 - .904 under - GT/LA Class Winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

10/20/18 - div 3-6 - #8 - 9.986 - .914 under - Got R/U.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop

Ran across a LOT more lists where Greg was .800 or more under his index. Too many to list. I think the car could easily run more than a sec under at lots of tracks. But, as all here know, that will get a hp hit from NHRA.

oldskool · 09-10-2020, 09:47 PM

There have been several Pontiac powered 4th gen GT BIrds. I suppose the Hatari Bird is the most famous. Leo Glasbrenner ran one for several years.

The one I wanna look at next has been most recently driven by John Agneta. I've seen it referred to as the Johnny Duncan car. 3 pics I have were taken when Johnny was driving the car. His #3256 is on the windshield. The car also shows up, under Johnny's name, on the Auto Imagery site.

I'm not sure of this, but another pic I have was said to be of a car that Sam Biondo was driving. Auto Imagery does indeed show a very similar looking car, under his name. So, until/unless I find out different, I'll assume it is the same car. That means that Sal & Peter Biondo probably also drove it some. So, the car probably made LOTS of races, while the Biondo's were racing it.

Anyhow, it shows up on DRC as a '95 model, with Johnny Duncan driving, in 2008.

4/25/08 - Southern Nats - #53 - .860 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

5/16/08 - Thunder Valley Nats - #31 - .663 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop

4/17/09 - Southern Nats - #45 - .854 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop

7/19/14 - div 3 race - #56 - .538 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop

10/19/14 - Northern Sports Nats - #49 - .609 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop

6/19/15 - Thunder Valley Nats - #22 - .384 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop

I have no idea who owned it after Johnny, or who owns it now. Another Pontiac GT racer posted that when John Agneta drove it, the car had a 4X head 400 in it.

At this race, Sean Pickett was driving it, listed as a '96 model. At that race, John Agneta was listed @ #27, driving a '98 Bird. That was said to be the Phil Monteith "Hatari" Bird.

8/19/17 - div 1-6 - #23 - .745 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop

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09-10-2020, 03:27 PM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers I've noticed that since they moved these Pontiac threads to the Nostalgia section, I get very few answers to any questions. For most questions, it's total crickets. It's like very few guys ever even look in this section. Maybe the powers that be got tired of seeing these Pontiac threads keep popping back to the top, in the Stock/SS section. Oh well, I enjoyed lookin up all the info & learned a LOT I didn't know, from guys who actually saw these old Pontiacs race, & from some who actually raced 'em. So, to all who have contributed to these Pontiac threads, THANKS ! I really appreciate it !

09-10-2020, 05:10 PM	#2
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Was glancing back thru this thread & saw where I said we'd take a closer look at some of the Pontiac powered GT cars. Several were mentioned, especially those that are currently racing. But, looks like I never got around to posting some results from the GT cars that were racing back in the earlier days of DRC. I'll begin with the Don Kennedy 3rd gen. I assume it was his 1st GT car. If I get any of this info wrong, somebody can correct it, if anybody who knows ever reads this. I'll post some of the car's better info from DRC. I'm pretty sure he ran an SD455 engine in that car. 1/30/98 - Winter Nats - #17 - 9.893 - .807 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop 2/21/98 - AZ Nats - #15 - .912 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1998#indextop At #16 on that list is Sal Biondo, driving an '82 GT Bird. I assume it's the same Hatari Bird that Peter drove. 2/26/99 - AZ Nats - #14 - .869 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r1999#indextop 2/25/00 - AZ Nats - #31 - .815 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop 4/6/00 - Vegas Summit Nats - #43 - .699 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2000#indextop 2/15/01 - AZ Nats - #27 - .710 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 5/5/01 - Vegas Summit Nats - #47 - .735 under - GT/CA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 7/6/01 - Pep Boys Nats - #27 - .706 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 10/26/01 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #46 - .881 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 2/22/02 - AZ Nats - #25 - .797 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 3/2/02 - div 7-1 - #19 - .813 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 4/5/02 - Vegas Summit Nats - #23 - .798 under - GT/CA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 10/24/02 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #28 - .899 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 2/7/03 - Winter Nats - #42 - .719 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 2/21/03 - AZ Nats - #15 - .871 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 3/1/03 - div 7-1 - #20 - .858 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 3/29/03 - div 7-2 - #19 - .951 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 4/4/03 - Vegas Summit Nats - #29 - .902 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 10/24/03 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #46 - 1.004 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 11/1/03 - div 7-6 - #51 - .952 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 3/13/04 - div 7-1 - #15 - .822 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 3/27/04 - div 7-2 - #13 - .959 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 4/2/04 - Vegas Summit Nats - #14 - 1.029 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 7/3/04 - div 7-5 - #17 - .921 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 10/29/04 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #47 - 1.052 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 11/6/04 - div 7-6 - #43 - 1.057 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop Attached Thumbnails

09-10-2020, 05:12 PM	#3
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Don K. GT Bird contd. 2/11/05 - Winter Nats - #21 - .929 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 3/5/05 - div 7-1 - #24 - .868 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 4/2/05 - div 7-2 - #17 - 1.071 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 4/15/05 - Vegas Summit Nats - #21 - .935 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 10/28/05 - div 7-7 - #32 - 1.018 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 2/25/06 - AZ Nats - #30 - .943 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 3/4/06 - div 7-1 - #24 - .917 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 3/25/06 - div 7-2 - #15 - 1.105 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 4/7/06 - Vegas Summit Nats - #28 - .977 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/30/06 - Sports Nats - #7 - .988 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 10/27/06 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #43 - 1.160 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 11/3/06 - div 7-6 - #24 - 1.165 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 2/9/07 - Winter Nats - #33 - .979 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 2/24/07 - AZ Nats - #33 - .922 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 3/3/07 - div 7-1 - #29 - .963 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 3/10/07 - div 7-2 - #13 - 1.221 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 4/21/07 - div 7-3 - #22 - 1.048 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 10/26/07 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #42 - 1.130 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 2/8/08 - Winter Nats - #18 - 1.051 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 2/23/08 - AZ Nats - #23 - .975 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 3/1/08 - div 7-1 - #29 - .900 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 3/8/08 - div 7-2 - #20 - 1.173 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 4/11/08 - Vegas Summit Nats - #16 - 1.105 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 10/31/08 - Vegas ACDelco Nats - #68 - .996 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 3/7/09 - div 7-2 - #20 - 1.046 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 4/4/09 - Vegas Summit Nats - #44 - .973 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop Later in the '09 season, Don switched over to his little Sunfire, which has been mentioned. I don't know, for sure, what happened to his GT Bird. I think somebody said it is still racing overseas. Seems that several old Pontiac Stock/SS cars have been shipped to Sweden. https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com..._ACT=usrSearch Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 05:22 PM.

09-10-2020, 06:54 PM	#4
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers One of the 3rd gen GT Birds I wanna mention again was raced by Steve Smith. I'd seen that name on Q-lists, but had no idea the car was Pontiac powered, til somebody posted it. 5/17/01 - Englishtown - #36 - .927 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 8/31/01 - US Nats - #75 - .823 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 10/4/01 - Pep Boys Nats - #22 - .921 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2001#indextop 4/26/02 - Thunder Valley Nats - #16 - .886 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 5/26/02 - div 1-1 - #43 - Race Winner ! https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 6/8/02 - div 1-2 - #16 - .982 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 6/22/02 - div 1-3 - #19 - .927 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/10/02 - div 1-6 - #15 - .946 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/25/02 - div 1-7 - #20 - .899 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 8/31/02 - US Nats - #98 - .905 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop 9/13/02 - Lucas Oil Nats - #42 - .978 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2002#indextop "How bout Steve Smith's 91 formula div 1 championship 400 6x car 9.80's..." Noticed that his car wore the #5 during the '03 season. So, I assumed he was div 1 champ in '02. "Super Stock 1. Steven Smith 2. Sal Biondo 3. Bob Letellier" https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=30435 5/16/03 - Englishtown - #11 - 9.941 - 1.159 under - Perm number 5. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2003#indextop 5/29/04 - div 1-1 - #26 - 1.013 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 6/17/04 - Super Nats - #29 - .803 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 9/17/04 - Lucas Oil Nats - #36 - 1.018 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=1564 10/17/04 - Dutch Classic - #17 - 1.064 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2004#indextop 6/17/05 - Englishtown - #34 - .989 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2005#indextop 5/28/06 - div 1-1 - #24 - 1.017 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 8/26/06 - div 1-4 - #29 - .951 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/2/06 - US Nats - #26 - 1.113 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 9/30/06 - Toyo Tires Nats - #5 - 1.223 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2006#indextop 6/21/07 - Englishtown - #9 - 1.090 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 8/25/07 - div 1-5 - #17 - .955 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 9/8/07 - div 1-6 - #32 - .912 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 9/22/07 - div 1-7 - #43 - .961 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop 10/20/07 - Dutch Classic - #18 - 1.108 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2007#indextop https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...B0ldA--&GI_ID= Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 07:57 PM.

09-10-2020, 07:29 PM	#5
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Steve Smith 3rd gen GT Bird contd. 5/24/08 - div 1-2 - #40 - 1.007 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 6/19/08 - Englishtown - #39 - .960 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 8/15/08 - Toyo Tires Nats - #6 - 9.991 - 1.109 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 8/30/08 - US Nats - #51 - 1.034 under - Semi-Final Finish. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 10/4/08 - div 1-7 - #28 - 9.963 - 1.137 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 5/23/09 - div 1-2 - #27 - 1.007 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 6/12/09 - Englishtown - #22 - .920 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 8/21/09 - Toyo Tires Nats - #13 - .983 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 9/5/09 - US Nats - #52 - 9.97 - 1.130 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 9/12/09 - div 1-6 - #17 - 1.066 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 10/3/09 - div 1-7 - #7 - 1.168 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 5/1/10 - div 1-1 - #51 - .485 under. Looks like maybe a larger engine, moving him up a few classes to GT/CA. Not as good against the index. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 5/29/10 - div 1-2 - #46 - .575 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 6/10/10 - Englishtown - #27 - 9.646 - .754 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 8/21/10 - div 1-4 - #35 - .651 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 10/2/10 - div 1-6 - #25 - .785 under. Apparently went back to the smaller engine & GT/FA. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2010#indextop 9/2/11 - US Nats - #44 - GT/GA - .879 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop 10/7/11 - Auto-Plus Nats - #12 - .945 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2011#indextop 6/1/12 - Englishtown - #40 - .774 under - 3rd Place Finish. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 9/1/12 - US Nats - #77 - .852 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2012#indextop 10/3/13 - Auto-Plus Nats - #16 - .848 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2013#indextop 5/30/14 - Englishtown - #18 - 9.953 - .947 under - GT/GA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop Don't know if that was the last time Steve raced the car, or not. I do know that Scott Burton was listed as the driver at the 2015 US Nats. 9/5/15 - US Nats - #97 - .775 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop Obviously, Steve was the previous owner of the 3rd gen that Scott & Brad Burton have been racing for several years. Still has the same paint scheme, complete with blue stripe. https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID= https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID= https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com...9AlXQ--&GI_ID= Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 07:51 PM.

09-10-2020, 08:55 PM	#6
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers Now we'll look again at the 3rd gen GT Bird driven by Greg Meyer. It's usually listed as a '92 model. Greg runs a 400 engine. I think he's used both 4X & 6X heads. Not sure. If he ever reads this, he can correct info as needed. http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...8&postcount=25 6/4/09 - Route 66 Nats - #29 - 1.006 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=182963 9/4/09 - US Nats - #85 - 1.091 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 8/15/14 - Lucas Oil Nats - #6 - .861 under - GT/HA Class Win. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=289379 https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=289462 8/21/15 - Lucas Oil Nats - #3 - .969 under - GT/HA Class Win. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=303796 https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=303795 8/18/16 - Lucas Oil Nats - #2 - .878 under - GT/HA Class Win. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=316975 https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=316978 8/17/17 - Lucas Oil Nats - #3 - .904 under - GT/LA Class Winner. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...UMMIT#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop 10/20/18 - div 3-6 - #8 - 9.986 - .914 under - Got R/U. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2018#indextop Ran across a LOT more lists where Greg was .800 or more under his index. Too many to list. I think the car could easily run more than a sec under at lots of tracks. But, as all here know, that will get a hp hit from NHRA. Attached Thumbnails

09-10-2020, 09:47 PM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Best Pontiac Powered Super Stockers There have been several Pontiac powered 4th gen GT BIrds. I suppose the Hatari Bird is the most famous. Leo Glasbrenner ran one for several years. The one I wanna look at next has been most recently driven by John Agneta. I've seen it referred to as the Johnny Duncan car. 3 pics I have were taken when Johnny was driving the car. His #3256 is on the windshield. The car also shows up, under Johnny's name, on the Auto Imagery site. I'm not sure of this, but another pic I have was said to be of a car that Sam Biondo was driving. Auto Imagery does indeed show a very similar looking car, under his name. So, until/unless I find out different, I'll assume it is the same car. That means that Sal & Peter Biondo probably also drove it some. So, the car probably made LOTS of races, while the Biondo's were racing it. Anyhow, it shows up on DRC as a '95 model, with Johnny Duncan driving, in 2008. 4/25/08 - Southern Nats - #53 - .860 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 5/16/08 - Thunder Valley Nats - #31 - .663 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2008#indextop 4/17/09 - Southern Nats - #45 - .854 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2009#indextop 7/19/14 - div 3 race - #56 - .538 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop 10/19/14 - Northern Sports Nats - #49 - .609 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2014#indextop 6/19/15 - Thunder Valley Nats - #22 - .384 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2015#indextop I have no idea who owned it after Johnny, or who owns it now. Another Pontiac GT racer posted that when John Agneta drove it, the car had a 4X head 400 in it. At this race, Sean Pickett was driving it, listed as a '96 model. At that race, John Agneta was listed @ #27, driving a '98 Bird. That was said to be the Phil Monteith "Hatari" Bird. 8/19/17 - div 1-6 - #23 - .745 under. https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...r2017#indextop Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 09-10-2020 at 09:53 PM.