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Old 02-19-2021, 10:02 AM   #1
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Hell Bud, your president Pervert Joe, said the vaccine wasn't around until he was sworn in , he is so brain dead he forgot that he received the Trump Vaccine in Dec. If Texas was not so dependent on wind and solar they would not be having the problems they are having. Of couse you would know nothing about load shedding, hence power outages to keep the T&D up when you loose 25% of your capacity when the wind and solar shut down. Maybe you should quit watching the communist news network.

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Now that is some serious gaslighting with regards to Texas, they knew this was going to be a problem ten years ago and ignored it: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bus...d-15955392.php


My suggestion would for Texas would be to follow Ted Cruz's lead and go to Cancun.
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Now that is some serious gaslighting with regards to Texas, they knew this was going to be a problem ten years ago and ignored it: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bus...d-15955392.php


My suggestion would for Texas would be to follow Ted Cruz's lead and go to Cancun.
Didn't same thing happen in California this summer?

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Didn't same thing happen in California this summer?

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It did but I don't live on the Edison grid so I wasn't effected in the 121 degree heat where I live. There are 13 major providers of electric power statewide. Not a single provider and single grid as in Texas.
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Randy, does the hate keep you warm?

OOOhhhh yeah.

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Randy, does the hate keep you warm?

OOOhhhh yeah.

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You tell me Willey does it keep you warm!


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Old 02-19-2021, 04:01 PM   #6
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This morning I heard on "OvernightDrive with Steve Summers".com on youtube that recently china joes' friends friends are the majority producers of those BIG transformers used across the U.S. and other nations and there is no telling what little electronic goodies are built into them. That is why Pres. Trump wanted to ban parts for the grid that came from elsewhere, and china joe's exec. order cancelled it.The show is on 12 midnight to 5am SundayMonday night thru Thursday night/Friday morning eastern. You can learn about alot of stuff.
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Old 02-19-2021, 04:20 PM   #7
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Willy says, let it go.

I hate only hate.

But you are full, let it go, there is no reason to be that way.

By the way its 82 and partly cloudy.

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It did but I don't live on the Edison grid so I wasn't effected in the 121 degree heat where I live. There are 13 major providers of electric power statewide. Not a single provider and single grid as in Texas.
There is one grid, but many providers...
If you speak of ERCOT, they don't provide squat...
ERCOT is supposed to be the watch dog to the providers...
I guess they broke off their chain!
ERCOT came from the deregulation of energy in Texas...
Before dereg. there was still more than one provider geographically...
Houston Light and Power, and Gulf State Utilities here in the southeast part of Texas, all providers at the time were considered monopolies and had to answer to the PUC...
At that time providers were required by law to have excess capacity to prevent things like what just occurred.
Come dereg. and the landscape changed...
Now they are split into generation, sales, and distribution.
Basically adding middle men to sell electricity and of course ERCOT to manage the grid.
With that came the spot market for generation...
No longer was the a requirement for the distributor of power to maintain excess generation, (not economical to the generators)...
Then we decide we need to be green...
So...20 or 25% (not certain the exact number) of non reliable "green energy", no excess capacity, Throw in some off peak maintenance, and an Artic air blast, stir, and boom you're now at 70-80% capacity and 120% demand.
Result... Disaster...
Did anyone see it coming?...
Yes...Probably, I know I did, but I'm a nobody...
So where was ERCOT in all of this?...
The president of ERCOT lives in Michigan I hear...
The Vice president in lives in Germany?... an economics professor is what I heard.
Oh and they weren't doing on site inspections... Because...you know...covid.
What could go wrong?

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There is one grid, but many providers...
If you speak of ERCOT, they don't provide squat...
ERCOT is supposed to be the watch dog to the providers...
I guess they broke off their chain!
ERCOT came from the deregulation of energy in Texas...
Before dereg. there was still more than one provider geographically...
Houston Light and Power, and Gulf State Utilities here in the southeast part of Texas, all providers at the time were considered monopolies and had to answer to the PUC...
At that time providers were required by law to have excess capacity to prevent things like what just occurred.
Come dereg. and the landscape changed...
Now they are split into generation, sales, and distribution.
Basically adding middle men to sell electricity and of course ERCOT to manage the grid.
With that came the spot market for generation...
No longer was the a requirement for the distributor of power to maintain excess generation, (not economical to the generators)...
Then we decide we need to be green...
So...20 or 25% (not certain the exact number) of non reliable "green energy", no excess capacity, Throw in some off peak maintenance, and an Artic air blast, stir, and boom you're now at 70-80% capacity and 120% demand.
Result... Disaster...
Did anyone see it coming?...
Yes...Probably, I know I did, but I'm a nobody...
So where was ERCOT in all of this?...
The president of ERCOT lives in Michigan I hear...
The Vice president in lives in Germany?... an economics professor is what I heard.
Oh and they weren't doing on site inspections... Because...you know...covid.
What could go wrong?

Just my observations...
Very good description of the issue only there is one more thing to add.
The electric generators also must schedule gas to be delivered to the gas fired generator locations.
Most only schedule for their needs or projections and do not purchase any extra from the gas transporters. They can purchase contingent/reserved gas which costs extra in case of unknowns of things like just happened however, most do not due to the cost.
The local electric company actually admitted they were short 30% of their gas needs when the peak generation was need. They had gas generators just not the fuel to run them.
The local electric company in years past idled a coal fired operation I am told for many reasons.
What happened in Texas was a perfect storm all coming together at once of many issues which ended badly.
I have watched one of the big windmills get out of balance due to ice buildup on the blades and it is not pretty. As the ice comes off the blades as they are turning is also something to see from a distance a long distance. It can throw ice a long way.
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Most only schedule for their needs or projections and do not purchase any extra from the gas transporters. They can purchase contingent/reserved gas which costs extra in case of unknowns of things like just happened however, most do not due to the cost.

Pre deregulation the PUC wouldn't have allowed that...

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