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Old 03-15-2021, 11:39 PM   #1
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Old 03-16-2021, 12:19 AM   #2
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I have a bit of a different take on this. We have complained for several years that NHRA is not doing tech the way we think it should be done, which I agree with. However when they do their job as is the case with Mr. Summers and Mr. Phillips a lot of people are upset not by the results of the inspection but by the penalty’s involved.
In the case of Mr. Summers did NHRA overreact? We have read what NHRA posted, his carburetor was modified. What does that mean? I wasn’t there during the inspection and I would guess neither were any of you, with the exception of Mr. Summers. He posted on this forum that his carb booster was too shiny. Kind of sounded to me like he was down playing it, like it was no big deal. Maybe I would do the same to save face. Was there more to it than that? Obviously NHRA thought so, combined with a previous violation they finally made a statement by putting some teeth into their tech inspection and subsequent violation and it has not been well received. I think what NHRA has done is what we have asked them to do, taking care of business.
Maybe I’m missing something here.

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Old 03-16-2021, 08:08 AM   #3
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In the case of Mr. Summers did NHRA overreact? Maybe I’m missing something here. Kelly Lane 4991 Stock
Kelly, what's missing here is that there are apparently at least two conflicting stories and rules enforcements going on. For the past few years (since NHRA approved the use of "aftermarket" carburetors in place of certain Holley carbs) NHRA's "policy" has been to "only check venturi size and throttle bores". Carb boosters became a moot point because the "aftermarket" carbs that they approved had completely different boosters in them compared to the OEM carbs.
Now I'll be right up-front here and tell you that the boosters in one of my combos aren't the original or correct boosters but when I mentioned it to an NHRA Tech, I was told the "venturi size and throttle bore" story. Am I legal? Am I not? I've been allowed to run. If I am suddenly NOT legal, I wish that somebody would let me know of a policy or rule change! I don't like being ambushed!
I am certainly not one of Mr. Summers best buddies and I don't know if there is more to the story but from what I've read I would say that Mr. Summers was ambushed.
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Kelly, what's missing here is that there are apparently at least two conflicting stories and rules enforcements going on. For the past few years (since NHRA approved the use of "aftermarket" carburetors in place of certain Holley carbs) NHRA's "policy" has been to "only check venturi size and throttle bores". Carb boosters became a moot point because the "aftermarket" carbs that they approved had completely different boosters in them compared to the OEM carbs.
Now I'll be right up-front here and tell you that the boosters in one of my combos aren't the original or correct boosters but when I mentioned it to an NHRA Tech, I was told the "venturi size and throttle bore" story. Am I legal? Am I not? I've been allowed to run. If I am suddenly NOT legal, I wish that somebody would let me know of a policy or rule change! I don't like being ambushed!
I am certainly not one of Mr. Summers best buddies and I don't know if there is more to the story but from what I've read I would say that Mr. Summers was ambushed.
Billy, are you in the belief that "they" were determined to find "something-anything" to bounce a previous offender with a too-fast run/car? (Not a loaded question, but let's cut to the chase)
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Billy, are you in the belief that "they" were determined to find "something-anything" to bounce a previous offender with a too-fast run/car? (Not a loaded question, but let's cut to the chase)
No, I don't believe that "they" were determined to find "something-anything". I believe that Summers just ran into a Tech with a conservative translation of the rules. The Rule Book specifically says "Replacement carburetors permitted provided they are same model, type, throttle bore, and venturi size.". Now as far as I'm concerned, the "boat" carb that I have on my car fits the line perfectly BUT the boosters are different. Boosters are NOT addressed. Now, did Summers MODIFY the boosters? It does say something about him polishing the boosters but that's grasping at straws IMHO.
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Kelly, what's missing here is that there are apparently at least two conflicting stories and rules enforcements going on. For the past few years (since NHRA approved the use of "aftermarket" carburetors in place of certain Holley carbs) NHRA's "policy" has been to "only check venturi size and throttle bores". Carb boosters became a moot point because the "aftermarket" carbs that they approved had completely different boosters in them compared to the OEM carbs.
Now I'll be right up-front here and tell you that the boosters in one of my combos aren't the original or correct boosters but when I mentioned it to an NHRA Tech, I was told the "venturi size and throttle bore" story. Am I legal? Am I not? I've been allowed to run. If I am suddenly NOT legal, I wish that somebody would let me know of a policy or rule change! I don't like being ambushed!
I am certainly not one of Mr. Summers best buddies and I don't know if there is more to the story but from what I've read I would say that Mr. Summers was ambushed.
When I asked Tech. in reference to 396/427, I was also told venturi and throttle bore...
I said "so any 3310 Holley?"...
They said yes...
So I don't know...
The rule also states "no polishing or removal of flash"...
Is that what the Tech. Official saw?...

What I do know is if I had a 50 yr. old vintage carb. I'm not so sure I would allow them to keep it...

We'll have to see what happens if I ever find myself in that predicament...
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