Can anyone educate me on differences in SS/AS and SS/AM

[sst7250]

I’m looking at possibly getting into super stock racing. Going fastish is part of the appeal to me of drag racing so I’m looking at these classes as possible places to be. But I’m blissfully unaware of a lot of what’s used to classify cars for instance between the AS and AM stuff. Any help or insight is appreciated. I’m just starting to look around for possible SS cars.

[BG56]

Originally Posted by sst7250

I’m looking at possibly getting into super stock racing. Going fastish is part of the appeal to me of drag racing so I’m looking at these classes as possible places to be. But I’m blissfully unaware of a lot of what’s used to classify cars for instance between the AS and AM stuff. Any help or insight is appreciated. I’m just starting to look around for possible SS cars.

When Modified Eliminator was abolished the classes were inserted into SS. Can also run car/class in Comp Eliminator. AS is the old A/Super Modified, limited carb(1) and heads, no tube frame. AM is the old A/Modified Production, multi-carbs, better heads, etc. See rules for limitations and weights, etc. Perhaps racers can chime in.

[Bob Sherwood]

The choice between AS amd AM is kind of dictated by your choice of body style. In AS the min weight is 3350# with a 5% deduct for auto trans so min is 3180# need a bigger car engine size would be 394ci [3350@ 8.5# per ci ] single 4150 style 850 carb AM is 2650# min @ 7.5 # per ci so around 375 ci with any size dual carbs this works with the smaller cars ( Cobalt, Cavalier, Sunfire, or ??? dont be afraid to ask alot of questions first , It will be a challenge !!! good luck Bob

[FireSale]

/AS Modified Stock
8.5-9.49 lb/cid
one 850 4bbl

/AM Modified
same weight
two 4bbl or 3 2bbl



For folks not familiar with Modified Eliminator, like SS/GT with the cylinder head rules tossed out.



Fast class. Think Hancock and Lane

[sst7250]

Thanks so far for the info.I am familiar a little with SS and the Comp modified cars. I had a buddy who ran SS/AS that passed away and another who ran in Comp with a B/SMA car a few years ago and both cars always intrigued me. I have run .90 stuff and done ok and tried some TS racing but looking for a new challenge/direction. I was looking at a Cobalt and was thinking it would fit a few different classes. But I have very little knowledge of much of the SS stuff for sure. Any info is a plus for me. Also looking for a car if anyone knows anything nice out there.

[FireSale]

I'm pretty sure the Hancock/Lane car is SS/BSM. The Pacific announcers call it B Super Modified, which it 'aint. B Stock Modified...
This is a cash heavy class with a lot of high tech stuff and super carb gurus around. H/L show up at the 1/8 mile club operated airport track I bracket race at and the car is a work of art. Set a National record there once. COVID has messed with my sense of time...

Check it out here.

http://hancockandlane.com/

[GrapeApe7575]

Al you should talk to Phil Mandella. He can not only educate you on the advantages/disadvantages of either class structure but he can build you the right car in the meantime. That Cuda would be a great starting point for a venture like this.

[sst7250]

Mark I wish I was smart enough to do that Or even patient enough to build a car these days.I have a couple cars in mind already that are ready to go just unsure if this is a path I should even go down. I thought TS would be fun but for me it just was not something I enjoyed and time to move on...

[340Cuda]

Originally Posted by sst7250

I have run .90 stuff and done ok...

Yes I think you did okay, weren't you a division champion?

Weren't you looking for a Dakota at one time? There is also a SS/Modified Truck, sticks and autos run together SS/TA through SS/TD weight breaks mirror SS/AS through SS/DS.

As someone trying to run SS/BS with 70s-90s technology, in my opinion if you really want to be fast, not just run the index you will need a FWD conversion with a comp eliminator grade engine. Think the Hancock and Lane SS/BS car.

That is not to say there are not some pretty fast Modified Stock cars that were RWD from the factory.

I hope to see you in a Super Stocker soon!

Bill

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by sst7250

Thanks so far for the info.I am familiar a little with SS and the Comp modified cars. I had a buddy who ran SS/AS that passed away and another who ran in Comp with a B/SMA car a few years ago and both cars always intrigued me. I have run .90 stuff and done ok and tried some TS racing but looking for a new challenge/direction. I was looking at a Cobalt and was thinking it would fit a few different classes. But I have very little knowledge of much of the SS stuff for sure. Any info is a plus for me. Also looking for a car if anyone knows anything nice out there.

Basically you can take any car that is a legal super stock car and run SS/AS, BS or CS
The best would be Cobalt or Cavalier if you want to run a GM car. Change the hood to fiberglass with a scoop and put the modified style engine and drive train in it. Its a fast wheels up class and you have to drive them to the lanes and scales so you don't need a big crew to race one of these cars. The engines are fairly high dollar and RPM so they take a bit more maintenance that a traditional super stock car. I think you would have a blast running the class.