To all you INTELLECTUALS (B Parker)

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

1. AHFS starts at 1/8 mile.
2. At every national event where class is run, all class winners are in the qualified field, even single car class wins. Then fill out the field with top qualifiers.
3. One hp factor per engine. No more car-hp factors. A 350 in an big car carries the same factor as a small sporty car. If the engine is used in various makes and bodies, the factor applies to all. "Engine Families"
4. An independent board? Maybe. Only if it were made up of elected officials,

Run it like this for three years, then come back with complaints. In the meantime, it would be a new set of acts for entertainment.

100% agree. But why bother with class run offs if the AHFS is in effect...just go down and watch a round of Super Gas qualifying.

[Charley Downing]

It’s real simple if a combo has two runs over -1.00. No runs under -.75 sould towards bring the ave down. It’s to easy to lower your avg now that you have a whole season so save it. And let be fair if there are Manipulate runs over -1.00. Runs of -.45 to -.75 should not count.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

It’s real simple if a combo has two runs over -1.00. No runs under -.75 sould towards bring the ave down. It’s to easy to lower your avg now that you have a whole season so save it. And let be fair if there are Manipulate runs over -1.00. Runs of -.45 to -.75 should not count.

Hi Charlie !
That's an interesting concept. I bet every engine builder in the nation just read your post and passed out. LOL
I been told by all the engine builders I've had, Keown, Gulius, Gale Pawley, that there is next to no money in freshen ups. All their funding comes from new motors and the relentless desire to be at the top of the sheet. If your proposition was implemented, knowing very well that in a season your brand new 50 thousand dollar piece would be no better than your last, why build one ?

[1347]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

100% agree. But why bother with class run offs if the AHFS is in effect...just go down and watch a round of Super Gas qualifying.

Because 80% of the class is running flat out trying to win class. That's why

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by 1347

Because 80% of the class is running flat out trying to win class. That's why

As it should be. But what are the 20% doing...keeping it under the 1.20 even in the final to avoid the hit. Should not be using AHFS in any class run offs at any race.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

As it should be. But what are the 20% doing...keeping it under the 1.20 even in the final to avoid the hit. Should not be using AHFS in any class run offs at any race.

So in no race should you be penalized for running more that 1.20 over in class? How about heads ups? If that's what you are saying, when should it be in effect, when you are dialing in or just trying to get a better spot on the Ladder?

And if that is what you are trying to say, when does the guy with a combo that's not as competitive as the guy that goes 1.30 under in class ever have a shot?

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by 1347

So in no race should you be penalized for running more that 1.20 over in class? How about heads ups? If that's what you are saying, when should it be in effect, when you are dialing in or just trying to get a better spot on the Ladder?

And if that is what you trying to say, when does the guy with a combo that's not as competitive as the guy that goes 1.30 under in class have a shot?

I'm talking about races where class run offs are being done not eliminations. In class run offs if your combo isn't as competitive as the combo going 1.30 are whatever under you are screwed. Thats the way it's always been. Slower combos DON'T win class run offs if faster combos are competing. If you want to win class your car needs to be competitive with the fastest cars running that class. If you go out to Indy running .6-.8 tenths under you may make the show depending on who shows up but you ain't going to be bring a Wally home for a class win.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

I'm talking about races where class run offs are being done not eliminations. In class run offs if your combo isn't as competitive as the combo going 1.30 are whatever under you are screwed. Thats the way it's always been. Slower combos DON'T win class run offs if faster combos are competing. If you want to win class your car needs to be competitive with the fastest cars running that class. If you go out to Indy running .6-.8 tenths under you may make the show depending on who shows up but you ain't going to be bring a Wally home for a class win.

I think if you ran your own survey and asked if there should be no afhs at any events where class would run you would get a different result than just Indy.
Maybe your A/S is one of the fastest in the country and thats why you feel this way, but most won't in my opinion. And I was in favor of not having AFHS at Indy!

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by 1347

I think if you ran your own survey and asked if there should be no afhs at any events where class would run you would get a different result than just Indy.
Maybe your A/S is one of the fastest in the country and thats why you feel this way, but most won't in my opinion. And I was in favor of not having AFHS at Indy!

What difference does it make if it's Indy or not. If there is a car at any of the class run off races that can run up against the 1.20 under and you can't it isn't going to do you any good having the AHFS in effect.

And why just Indy? There were alot of very fast cars that didn't attend Indy this year. That's a long haul for alot of racers from div 6&7. Why not let them run all out at Pamona, Seattle, or Vegas. There are national events in every division why not at least one no AHFS in effect class run off in each division. I would like seeing what the rocket ships will really do in their own back yards. Open divisional races have no AHFS but do not have class run offs.