New FWD weight breaks!

GTS340 · 09-30-2021, 11:01 PM

Sorry Billy for sure. I just took a few minutes to look at Gary Hampton's combo .If I'm correct Gary you are rated at 125hp and did weight 2545lbs minimum in DF/S. Now you have to weight 2920lbs in DF/S. You need two friends to ride along with now to add 375lbs. But yet Bill O'Conner's slow roller Horizon didn't get effected one bit. Why would they basically kill some combinations.
Like you say Billy they need to add more classes. Which we probably have too many already. That or completely change all the hp ratings fairly on these cars and put these cars in T,U,V and W. That might be a crazy huge stretch but just thinking out loud. that or add X. Y and Z and let any amount of cylinders run in any class. Another senior moment.

Paul Haszlauer

Billy Nees · 10-01-2021, 07:45 AM

It seems to me that every time I turn around they are adding more SS and Comp classes. I tend to agree with the "too many classes already" deal but if THAT'S the issue then why do we still have separate auto and stick classes?
Adding 1 or even 2 FWD classes isn't going to hurt or change anything in the running of the eliminator.

rseibenick · 10-01-2021, 08:16 AM

Mark, that's how I see it also. Just have to get a new Index for DF/S. Have to wait and see what it is going to be.

Frank Castros · 10-01-2021, 08:29 AM

If the FWD racers are out of the loop with this decision, what prompted it and a statement SHOULD be forthcoming.

Billy Nees · 10-01-2021, 08:32 AM

Hey NHRA, if you're reading this,what needs to be done is to leave the class breaks as they are except to add a 22 lb. class between D and E..

Frank Castros · 10-01-2021, 08:36 AM

Billy is HOT!

1347 · 10-01-2021, 09:15 AM

I had asked Lonnie Grim a question thru email in August, and was very surprised that he answered me quickly. Not only that, but when he said "I assure you" he was true to it.

An email to Lonnie may get these questions answered, or sent to the direction to someone who can.

Billy Nees · 10-01-2021, 09:17 AM

Yup, RED Hot.
What these weight changes do in a nutshell is let Kopejtka and Seibenik competitively (which they should be able to do) run in 2 classes while making Hampton's car and mine into one- class cars. Fair tradeoff?
Make a 22 lb. class!

Nick Heath · 10-01-2021, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

It seems to me that every time I turn around they are adding more SS and Comp classes. I tend to agree with the "too many classes already" deal but if THAT'S the issue then why do we still have separate auto and stick classes?
Adding 1 or even 2 FWD classes isn't going to hurt or change anything in the running of the eliminator.

To add to this point - what was wrong with the old weight breaks from ~20 years ago? A through H, though I can't remember what the breaks were. That's only 3 more classes now. It seems there were a lot more FWD cars back then compared to now, there sure haven't been an abundance of new heads-up FWD elimination rounds, and all the single cars run in the class combo anyway?

rseibenick · 10-01-2021, 09:32 AM

New FWD weight classes
AF/S 13.00 to 15.99 13.85 Index
BF/S 16.00 to 18.99 14.65 Index
CF/S 19.00 to 21.99 15.60 Index
DF/S 22.00 to 24.99 too be determined
EF/S 25.00 or more 17.45
That is what I think it is.
Just tightened up the spread between the old 19 and 25 lbs.
instead of adding any new classes.

09-30-2021, 11:01 PM	#1
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 871 Likes: 270 Liked 1,344 Times in 410 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! Sorry Billy for sure. I just took a few minutes to look at Gary Hampton's combo .If I'm correct Gary you are rated at 125hp and did weight 2545lbs minimum in DF/S. Now you have to weight 2920lbs in DF/S. You need two friends to ride along with now to add 375lbs. But yet Bill O'Conner's slow roller Horizon didn't get effected one bit. Why would they basically kill some combinations. Like you say Billy they need to add more classes. Which we probably have too many already. That or completely change all the hp ratings fairly on these cars and put these cars in T,U,V and W. That might be a crazy huge stretch but just thinking out loud. that or add X. Y and Z and let any amount of cylinders run in any class. Another senior moment. Paul Haszlauer

10-01-2021, 07:45 AM	#2
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,494 Likes: 3,596 Liked 7,733 Times in 1,739 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! It seems to me that every time I turn around they are adding more SS and Comp classes. I tend to agree with the "too many classes already" deal but if THAT'S the issue then why do we still have separate auto and stick classes? Adding 1 or even 2 FWD classes isn't going to hurt or change anything in the running of the eliminator. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

10-01-2021, 08:16 AM	#3
rseibenick Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 160 Likes: 24 Liked 20 Times in 7 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! Mark, that's how I see it also. Just have to get a new Index for DF/S. Have to wait and see what it is going to be.

10-01-2021, 08:29 AM	#4
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,586 Liked 2,725 Times in 961 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! If the FWD racers are out of the loop with this decision, what prompted it and a statement SHOULD be forthcoming.

10-01-2021, 08:32 AM	#5
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,494 Likes: 3,596 Liked 7,733 Times in 1,739 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! Hey NHRA, if you're reading this,what needs to be done is to leave the class breaks as they are except to add a 22 lb. class between D and E.. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

10-01-2021, 08:36 AM	#6
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,586 Liked 2,725 Times in 961 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! Billy is HOT!

10-01-2021, 09:15 AM	#7
1347 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Monroe Twp NJ Posts: 505 Likes: 1,034 Liked 996 Times in 275 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! I had asked Lonnie Grim a question thru email in August, and was very surprised that he answered me quickly. Not only that, but when he said "I assure you" he was true to it. An email to Lonnie may get these questions answered, or sent to the direction to someone who can. __________________ Duane Hoven 1342 SS/GT

10-01-2021, 09:17 AM	#8
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,494 Likes: 3,596 Liked 7,733 Times in 1,739 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! Yup, RED Hot. What these weight changes do in a nutshell is let Kopejtka and Seibenik competitively (which they should be able to do) run in 2 classes while making Hampton's car and mine into one- class cars. Fair tradeoff? Make a 22 lb. class! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

10-01-2021, 09:32 AM	#10
rseibenick Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 160 Likes: 24 Liked 20 Times in 7 Posts	Re: New FWD weight breaks! New FWD weight classes AF/S 13.00 to 15.99 13.85 Index BF/S 16.00 to 18.99 14.65 Index CF/S 19.00 to 21.99 15.60 Index DF/S 22.00 to 24.99 too be determined EF/S 25.00 or more 17.45 That is what I think it is. Just tightened up the spread between the old 19 and 25 lbs. instead of adding any new classes.

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