Pump gas in stock

[Darrel Goheen]

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

The only comment I can make on this subject is the cost of the fuel that I consume at a race (and I'm running C16 which isn't cheap) is probably the least expensive part of the weekend. If the difference in cost between one of the lesser expensive race fuels and pump gas is going to break you, you're probably in the wrong sport.

The price of race fuel certainly won't break me but like all things it adds up quick! At a 3-4 times the cost for race fuel for no added value other than to pass fuel check adds up to several race entries in a years time.

[Darrel Goheen]

Originally Posted by Jim Parsons

Darrell, regarding your question about pump gas being quicker than race gas this is my assessment based on study and some actual race experience. Race gas is really about “octane rating” to prevent detonation and not about being more powerful.

With the laws and liabilities limiting lead content the race gas companies had to start using lots of “additives” to boost the octane level, that’s also the sweet smell you get. Today there isn’t much “gas” in race gas, another reason it cost more. These additives hurt power in a couple of ways they burn slow during combustion which changes their pressure rise on the piston and spreads it over a longer period which helps with potential detonation but not power. You typically can run a little less ignition timing with lower octane fuel. Actually the biggest reason is lower octane pump gas typically has more BTU’s of energy per pound than our legal race gas! So in your case with relative low compression you don’t need the octane to counter detonation it then makes sense that it will be faster when used. I proved this to myself when living in Denver as I took race gas out of my stocker and replaced with pump gas and picked up a tenth! This was back before specific race gas’ was mandated by NHRA and the old pump gas was still legal.
Why then do we run race gas? A couple of reasons, when pump gas had to comply with clean air regulations and started adding oxygenated additives, i.e. corn alcohol + other things NHRA’s compliance testing at the time for fuel went out the window. By them restricting us to Race gas they could set tight standards for each and compare when testing at the track, that’s why we have to declare our fuel type and brand. The other reason I suspect is they saw an additional money $$ source from the Fuel companies as each has to pay to be on the “accepted” fuel list.

I'm not saying you cant add "stuff" to gas and make it more powerful such as ERC and VP does with some of there highly originated fuels but those are thankfully not on our approved list as they are harmful and more expensive.

Hope this helps and yes there is more to the story but this is my quick take on your question.

Jim Parsons

(Past FIA international Fuel and Lubricant Committee member)


FYI: I tried sending this to you as a private message but it said you box was full.

Thanks Jim. It's always amazed me how many people think the higher the octane rated fuel the more power it makes and normally it's just the opposite. In simple terms...the higher the octane the harder it is to ignite. Even before I switched to pump gas I was pretty certain that 91 octane would be quicker than the 112 I'd been using.Then frequently the argument has came up that pump gas isn't consistent like race fuel. I proved that wrong 20 years ago when all I run was pump gas in my Chevelle. I've run pump gas long enough in my Stocker now that I see no problem with inconsistency over running race fuel.

[Darrel Goheen]

Originally Posted by ken robinson

Wow no fuel check , alittle nitro goes alone way my friend . If your looking to save money on race fuel shop around or buy in bulk with a friend and store it correctly ...Just saying ...

No fuel check levels the playing field doesn't it? IE, everyone can use whatever fuel they choose. If you choose to burn nitro so can everyone else if they want. My car probably couldn't light nitro.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Darrel Goheen

No fuel check levels the playing field doesn't it? IE, everyone can use whatever fuel they choose. If you choose to burn nitro so can everyone else if they want. My car probably couldn't light nitro.

It may level the playing field, but it wouldn’t lower the cost. What was the stuff guys were mixing in their fuel years ago? It wasn’t cheap, or safe, but it was fast. That would be the standard if it was allowed. Very few would run pump gas in my opinion, and we wouldn’t solve anything.

[Dave Gantz]

Originally Posted by 1347

It may level the playing field, but it wouldn’t lower the cost. What was the stuff guys were mixing in their fuel years ago? It wasn’t cheap, or safe, but it was fast. That would be the standard if it was allowed. Very few would run pump gas in my opinion, and we wouldn’t solve anything.

Hydazine?

[Billy Nees]

Propylene Oxide comes to mind.

[Dan Fahey]

All my model Airplanes engines used nitromethane.
Had Caster Oil in it too.

Originally Posted by Darrel Goheen

No fuel check levels the playing field doesn't it? IE, everyone can use whatever fuel they choose. If you choose to burn nitro so can everyone else if they want. My car probably couldn't light nitro.

There’s a safety factor to also consider. If you get some of the really well-connected guys especially chemically they be adding stuff to fuel that probably would be dangerous to inhale and be around. I don’t think the NHRA wants their people to get sick from checking fuel that has unknown chemicals added to it.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

There’s a safety factor to also consider. If you get some of the really well-connected guys especially chemically they be adding stuff to fuel that probably would be dangerous to inhale and be around. I don’t think the NHRA wants their people to get sick from checking fuel that has unknown chemicals added to it.

Yes. ERC was deemed unhealthy..and banned.

[Adger Smith]

Power Mist was another brand mixed in to enhance fuel.