Can We Un-ring The Bell

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by tavirace

To me it seems the carburetor rules are outdated, high end cars with replacement blocks aluminum heads and trick transmissions are then forced to put some junk on it that can barely be found from 50 years ago.It would bring more combinations into it.

Examples?

[Jeff Teuton]

Some years back Wesley and I wrote a system for Stock and Super Stock. It was based on averages for different combinations and did not punish those who worked hard on their combination. It was fair, accurate, and based on what racers were running at the time. And of course NHRA would have no part of it but they did lower the indexes by 3 I think and did a couple of other things. Bob Lang was in charge then and you could at least talk to him. Still better than this mess we have now.

And to Billy Nees, during teardown with my 360 in my 09 Challenger DP, Bruce didn't like the 1/8 " spacer that came with the car. We had all the Mopar people there and explained it was an adapter that was hand made for the 360 and there were only 3 of them made which I had one. We assembled it without the spacer beause they would not give it back. However the car picked up about 1 to 2 mph without it. I never did get it back.

[tavirace]

i have a 71 Pontiac Ventura I would like to race but its only legal with a 250 1bbl 307 2bbl or 72 Pontiac 350 2bbl, for some reason factored much harder than a 73. I do race it in street with the 250 and a weber 38/38 on it. If it was a Nova I could claim anything from 68 to 72 but with the wrong grill and fenders not much you can do with it.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by tavirace

i have a 71 Pontiac Ventura I would like to race but its only legal with a 250 1bbl 307 2bbl or 72 Pontiac 350 2bbl, for some reason factored much harder than a 73. I do race it in street with the 250 and a weber 38/38 on it. If it was a Nova I could claim anything from 68 to 72 but with the wrong grill and fenders not much you can do with it.

If you REALLY wanted to run Stock with THAT car, there's nothing wrong with the 250 or the 307. I've got a bit of experience with both. They won't win Class at Indy but they'll go comfortably under the index. The 350 needs help.

[tavirace]

Thanks for the reply Billy.I like the 250 and I know you are the expert on them. It seems to me that most run the 230, I figured the 1bbl would be even more strained with the larger cubes.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Some years back Wesley and I wrote a system for Stock and Super Stock. It was based on averages for different combinations and did not punish those who worked hard on their combination. It was fair, accurate, and based on what racers were running at the time. And of course NHRA would have no part of it but they did lower the indexes by 3 I think and did a couple of other things. Bob Lang was in charge then and you could at least talk to him. Still better than this mess we have now.

And to Billy Nees, during teardown with my 360 in my 09 Challenger DP, Bruce didn't like the 1/8 " spacer that came with the car. We had all the Mopar people there and explained it was an adapter that was hand made for the 360 and there were only 3 of them made which I had one. We assembled it without the spacer beause they would not give it back. However the car picked up about 1 to 2 mph without it. I never did get it back.

Jeff! Nice to hear from you! I hope all is well!
Yes, you and Wesley did a lot of work and planning on what eventually got turned into the AHFS. We spoke about it a few times. But, NHRA didn't come up with it so they had to come up with their own plan.
Now as far as that 1 of 3 hand made spacer, hmmmmmmm.