Can We Un-ring The Bell

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

I would venture to say that there are more good cars out there than great drivers.

I'd 100% agree. I'm mostly puzzled by a post that is worried about illegal drop spot identification, as if there are people killing it with the spot drop constantly. Unless one doesn't understand how/why it is utilized.

[Dave Noll]

Could someone please tell me the difference between electronic "traction control" or a light flywheel or a slipper clutch?

[1347]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I'd 100% agree. I'm mostly puzzled by a post that is worried about illegal drop spot identification, as if there are people killing it with the spot drop constantly. Unless one doesn't understand how/why it is utilized.

I think Billy was referring to if using a grid and a program to spot drop. The opposite of a .90 car on the other end. Wouldn't that be like using a throttle stop timer?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I'd 100% agree. I'm mostly puzzled by a post that is worried about illegal drop spot identification, as if there are people killing it with the spot drop constantly. Unless one doesn't understand how/why it is utilized.

I fully understand how "spot dropping" works. I've spent the better part of my life in a slower-than-normal car.
What I am questioning is, can a "good" car be set up to use the data loggers timer (set up to start on WOT) and drive shaft sensor or wheel sensor to "turn on" something like a shift light at a certain point on the track to "alert" the driver to lift? I know that it's possible but is it practical? Ya know, kinda like a matty box but not exactly (is that a dirty term?). I have been around long enough to know that a couple of great drivers have been caught with them AND delay boxes.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I fully understand how "spot dropping" works. I've spent the better part of my life in a slower-than-normal car.
What I am questioning is, can a "good" car be set up to use the data loggers timer (set up to start on WOT) and drive shaft sensor or wheel sensor to "turn on" something like a shift light at a certain point on the track to "alert" the driver to lift? I know that it's possible but is it practical? Ya know, kinda like a matty box but not exactly (is that a dirty term?). I have been around long enough to know that a couple of great drivers have been caught with them AND delay boxes.

If one was going through all the trouble to measure time and distance, there would be much more effective uses for it than a 'drop here' indicator.

I've never had a data logger, but the logger can't 'talk back' to the ignition box, can it? In it's standard-issue form, anyway?

[Frank Castros]

I followed Super Street eliminations this year on Live Timing and this strategy has gained popularity in that class.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

I followed Super Street eliminations this year on Live Timing and this strategy has gained popularity in that class.

In my experience with Super Street and Super Comp, there's way more finish line activity in Super Comp.

I've never gotten the feeling that anything untoward is going on though.

If I were to have time/distance information available, I could perhaps make a better decision at the finish line but a spot drop is still introducing more variables than other techniques might. Reacting consistently to the stimuli, applying consistent brake pressure, etc.

Could it be done? Maybe. Do I think that's how it would most effectively be deployed? No.

[Frank Castros]

Lenny,
I saw many 60' numbers in the 1.45 range or better that ran close to or on the 10.90 index. For 600+hp combos that led me to believe they were employing a "throttle stop" or "Grid" technology at the other end?

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Lenny,
I saw many 60' numbers in the 1.45 range or better that ran close to or on the 10.90 index. For 600+hp combos that led me to believe they were employing a "throttle stop" or "Grid" technology at the other end?

There are quite a few guys that are competitive in Super Street simply using weight and/or shift point. Some can put it on the number that way, and some get it close and then drive it from there.

You'd need to look at more than just 60' to know what the method is.

I can't say that nobody is cheating. I can 100% say that there are WAY more smart, creative, and talented drivers than there are electronic cheaters out there.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I've never had a data logger, but the logger can't 'talk back' to the ignition box, can it? In it's standard-issue form, anyway?

THAT'S what the grid is for! And YES, the data logger CAN talk to the ignition box.

So, you're talking about "21ST Century spot dropping" without knowing what you're talking about. At least that's what I'm talking about.