Shipping weights

[Charley Downing]

Billy I am going to make it simple as well. We are not going back in time. Those were great racing times no question. But time doesn’t stand still and some old rules need to change with time and technology.
I for one am glad haft of those old stocker rules like valve spring pressure are gone.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

We are not going back in time. But time doesn’t stand still and some old rules need to change with time and technology.

If Stock and SS don't start rolling back some new rules that have changed to make Racers with "new" combos happy then we will soon see "new" combos running what will be essentially ET-2 but is called Stock and the older combos will be running nostalgia stuff.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

If Stock and SS don't start rolling back some new rules that have changed to make Racers with "new" combos happy then we will soon see "new" combos running what will be essentially ET-2 but is called Stock and the older combos will be running nostalgia stuff.

Billy this has to be the worst-case scenario I have seen in Stock and Super Stock in its 60 plus years of existence. I would not want to be the one that makes the decision on how to straighten this mess out. You can say just go back and put all the right info in. But where does it end. Do you get rid of the aluminum drive shaft that the 67 Shelby Mustangs get to use because years later Shelby added them as an option on the car? If someone was to go back and right all that is wrong, they may spend the next 5 years trying to figure it all out. And for everything they try to correct someone will come up with a reason to justify why it was done that way to begin with. It's uglier than ugly. I hate to see more rule changes and I would hate to see us lose any more racers. I hope they are able to come up with a solution that will affect us races in the least possible way. I hate to see them do away with shipping weights but at this point it has to be on the table. It's not the right thing to do but it may be the only thing they are able to do. You like to pick on my car and that's ok. Could you imagine how many others will start to nitpick on other cars if their car gets effected after they have been running it that way for years. It will start a war between all of us racers that I would hate to see. And so would the Powers to be. You see some of the post it's already started. That itself could end what is still left to Stock and Super Stock. Think about it sometimes what you wish for ends up being the biggest mistake. I want what's in best interest for the long-term health of our class. BP

[Race Clean]

Charlie,personally I would like to go one class lighter myself,I just gave an argument to think about, not thinking about myself so much

ps. We have met, and I like you

[Larry Hill]

Y’all get the rules fixed and I will race by those rules. If the rules get to crazy there are other places to race.

[Frank Castros]

For a non-contestant like me all this controversy is disheartening and would keep me from racing a stocker again if I chose to.
I see the merit in both Charley's and Billy's points of view but naively wish the clock could be turned back and we all know that never happens.

[countrypuppy4865]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Y’all get the rules fixed and I will race by those rules. If the rules get to crazy there are other places to race.

Well put Mr. Larry! Do what needs to be done and we will go from there. Just not sure why they make all these sudden changes that affect so many people. Hopefully they give us a little more heads up that way I know if I need to start building a new car or not!

[Ron Ortiz]

If they give us a heads up notice of what is coming, then you realize that you better start building that electrical Super Stocker.

[1347]

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

Well put Mr. Larry! Do what needs to be done and we will go from there. Just not sure why they make all these sudden changes that affect so many people. Hopefully they give us a little more heads up that way I know if I need to start building a new car or not!

We know why, because someone asked for it, in fact Kevin said he was the reason why this happened, and the funny part is what he asked for did not get changed.

And as racers find something that may affect them. They deflect and bring something else up that may affect someone else. And then it goes on and on and on.

If you don't think the NHRA staff who make/change the rules don't read this stuff, you are mistaken.

We will all deal with whatever changes come down the pike, but don't believe someone is sitting behind a desk thinking what they can come up with to screw with us next.. These things are a reaction to someone else's actions. And in that person's view, it may be warranted, but it comes with a price as we can see, and the posts keep coming in.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Y’all get the rules fixed and I will race by those rules. If the rules get to crazy there are other places to race.

NHRA has always had an "issue" considering the overall effect of a rule change and the unseen consequences of that rule change AND the consequences of trying to "retract" that rule change. Once you've (NHRA) given someone something, it's very hard to take it away!