? of the day

Mike Jones · 10-01-2022, 11:46 AM

He explicitly said legal from Stock to TAFC. I was surprised to hear that. Data recorders permitted according to Rulebook (Section11A, pg12, Support Group 9)

Mark Yacavone · 10-01-2022, 12:02 PM

? Two..What are the various components shown on the tabletop?

? Three...Can the Grid correct real time information to a pre-programmed run? (asking for a friend)

Billy Nees · 10-01-2022, 12:41 PM

Ummmm,
General Regulations; 9:2 Data Recorders
Sentence #1; Data recorders may be used to record functions of a vehicle
so long as they do not activate any function on the vehicle.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but aren't spark timing and timing retard "functions of the vehicle?

Sentence #4; Fifth-wheel sensing devices prohibited on all vehicles.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a driveshaft sensor be considered a "fifth-wheel sensing device"? And even if it's not, when did they become legal?

I think that the Tech Dept. should re-read General Regulations section 9:1 and 9:2 before it makes any determinations regarding what it allows some of it's sponsors to sell to the Racers!

B Parker · 10-01-2022, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ummmm,
General Regulations; 9:2 Data Recorders
Sentence #1; Data recorders may be used to record functions of a vehicle
so long as they do not activate any function on the vehicle.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but aren't spark timing and timing retard "functions of the vehicle?

Sentence #4; Fifth-wheel sensing devices prohibited on all vehicles.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a driveshaft sensor be considered a "fifth-wheel sensing device"? And even if it's not, when did they become legal?

I think that the Tech Dept. should re-read General Regulations section 9:1 and 9:2 before it makes any determinations regarding what it allows some of it's sponsors to sell to the Racers!

Billy I have a grid and the data logger does not control any of the functions. You have to program the functions into the grid. Not because I use one but that is how would interpret it. BP

SSDiv6 · 10-01-2022, 12:43 PM

https://www.chevyhardcore.com/tech-s...grid-features/

It says:

Program a specific timing action at any point or range during a run to control conditions you have identified by feel or via data logging.

Program time or gear based rev limits throughout the run to prevent an overrev from tire spin or even a missed shift.

Mark Yacavone · 10-01-2022, 01:09 PM

? whatever..
Are any of the 9 and 10 second factory / experimental using drive by wire throttle?

Mike Jones · 10-01-2022, 04:29 PM

This cats out of the bag already. MSD will add features/upgrades to their products. Why would NHRA stop them? A Rulebook gray area...

Keith 944 · 10-01-2022, 06:16 PM

You can also hook a racepack to the grid, now you have two data recorders and ………

Charlie Yannetti · 10-02-2022, 08:32 AM

WELLLLLLLLL, they don't call it the "Cheater Grid" for nothin'.. NOW, proving it seems to be another issue not being addressed by the upper echelon.. YES, I just said that..

Frank Castros · 10-02-2022, 09:09 AM

Ban this crap.

10-01-2022, 12:02 PM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,817 Likes: 2,907 Liked 5,125 Times in 1,953 Posts	Re: ? of the day ? Two..What are the various components shown on the tabletop? ? Three...Can the Grid correct real time information to a pre-programmed run? (asking for a friend) __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers Last edited by Mark Yacavone; 10-01-2022 at 05:22 PM.

10-01-2022, 12:41 PM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,496 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,754 Times in 1,741 Posts	Re: ? of the day Ummmm, General Regulations; 9:2 Data Recorders Sentence #1; Data recorders may be used to record functions of a vehicle so long as they do not activate any function on the vehicle. Now correct me if I'm wrong but aren't spark timing and timing retard "functions of the vehicle? Sentence #4; Fifth-wheel sensing devices prohibited on all vehicles. Again, correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a driveshaft sensor be considered a "fifth-wheel sensing device"? And even if it's not, when did they become legal? I think that the Tech Dept. should re-read General Regulations section 9:1 and 9:2 before it makes any determinations regarding what it allows some of it's sponsors to sell to the Racers! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

10-01-2022, 12:43 PM	#5
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 3,044 Likes: 712 Liked 1,583 Times in 582 Posts	Re: ? of the day https://www.chevyhardcore.com/tech-s...grid-features/ It says: Program a specific timing action at any point or range during a run to control conditions you have identified by feel or via data logging. Program time or gear based rev limits throughout the run to prevent an overrev from tire spin or even a missed shift.

10-01-2022, 01:09 PM	#6
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,817 Likes: 2,907 Liked 5,125 Times in 1,953 Posts	Re: ? of the day ? whatever.. Are any of the 9 and 10 second factory / experimental using drive by wire throttle? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

10-01-2022, 04:29 PM	#7
Mike Jones VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,125 Likes: 1,179 Liked 684 Times in 289 Posts	Re: ? of the day This cats out of the bag already. MSD will add features/upgrades to their products. Why would NHRA stop them? A Rulebook gray area... Last edited by Mike Jones; 10-01-2022 at 04:34 PM.

10-01-2022, 11:46 AM	#1
Mike Jones VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,125 Likes: 1,179 Liked 684 Times in 289 Posts	Re: ? of the day He explicitly said legal from Stock to TAFC. I was surprised to hear that. Data recorders permitted according to Rulebook (Section11A, pg12, Support Group 9) Last edited by Mike Jones; 10-01-2022 at 11:56 AM.

10-01-2022, 06:16 PM	#8
Keith 944 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dela-where? Posts: 2,193 Likes: 1,162 Liked 1,877 Times in 577 Posts	Re: ? of the day You can also hook a racepack to the grid, now you have two data recorders and ……… __________________ KEITH MAYERS 2-1/2 X somebody Still many X nobody

10-02-2022, 08:32 AM	#9
Charlie Yannetti Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alpine, NJ Posts: 568 Likes: 188 Liked 192 Times in 83 Posts	Re: ? of the day WELLLLLLLLL, they don't call it the "Cheater Grid" for nothin'.. NOW, proving it seems to be another issue not being addressed by the upper echelon.. YES, I just said that..

10-02-2022, 09:09 AM	#10
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,599 Liked 2,727 Times in 961 Posts	Re: ? of the day Ban this crap.

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