1967-68 SS/C-D Hemi B-Body: Cold Air or Flat Hood?

[Steve Stasko]

They didn't run the R0/W0 cars at the Winters, because they weren't built yet!!! The NHRA Winternationals were 2/5/1967. This is why the Belvedere ran in C at the Winternationals, and B the rest of 1967, AFTER they received the parts to convert it to R0 trim. Does it not click in your mind that NO ONE else was running an "R0" car at the Winternationals?

The dealer pricing info was sent out on 2/10. The sequence numbers were assigned on 2/12. There is generally a one month difference between the scheduled and actual build date. The earliest ship date for a '67 R0 Plymouth that I have documented is 3/23. The earliest '67 W0 Dodge date I have seen is 3/27. This is info coming right from Chrysler IBM build cards. I've been researching '67 R0/W0 cars for quite a while now.

If you go back to my comment, where you're trying to disprove me, I stated Sox & Martin only had two '67 HEMI cars. I know there was a third car. It was a 440 GTX, with white interior. We've been through this numerous times, in different places, but you can't keep or get your facts straight.

[Rat Patrol]

So how do you explain the cold air hood on the S&M car at the winters?

Happy to accept the 023cars were not ready...bur explain the scoop?

And what cars did Grotheer and Charbonneau run in SS/B at Pomona in 67? Because the flat hood GTX ran in SS/C

And how do you explain the S&M cold air scoop at the 68 Winters in SS/D, when the Cossey and Schings O23 cars ran in SS/C that year?

These are the questions Ive been trying to get answers to.....and remain unanswered.

So instead of being a paranoid hysteric and assuming I’m out to ‘do you down’....try ‘clicking in’ and understanding your explanation only goes so far...

[Steve Stasko]

There is no scoop to explain before March of 1967. Sox had two cars at the start of '67...the flat hood Hemi Belvedere (383 car originally), and the twin scooped 440 GTX (white interior). The third car was the R023 which came later (May). There are plenty of early 1967 photos showing the first two cars with their old white hauler before they got the new R/W/B hauler later that year. Also, if you look at early photos of the white interior car...it did not have the Belvedere trim on it, that was added later.

The 383 car was kept through '68. After the R0 scoop came available, it was converted. They put a rectangular Hemi badge on the front edge of the fender where the Belvedere nameplate normally was. The R0 car always had both name plates on it (Belvedere & Hemi). This is all documentable by publicly available photos. The photos I attached are the converted 383 car.

Jim Skarbek wanted to buy Ronnie's '67 car, but Ronnie was contractually obligated by Chrysler to continue running it into 1968. Sox & Martin prepared Skarbek a B029 car instead. Sam Carroll bought the 440 car.

Charbonneau ran his '66 from the year before, he got a '67 Fairlane not long after. Grotheer also ran his '66. Grotheer never had an R0 car...his '67 car was built from a 6-cylinder car using the driveline from the '66 car he had.

The '68 explanation is the whole topic of this post. Chrysler submitted bogus paperwork and NHRA allowed the scooped hood on the '67 cars. If you ran in Belvedere or Coronet 440 trim, you ran C. If you ran as a GTX or Coronet R/T...you ran D. NHRA put a stop to this, and that's why Sox put the twin scooped hood on his car for Englishtown. Geoff Stunkard covered that years ago in one of his articles in the collector's guide.

The info is out there man, you've got to want it, and you're not going to find the answers in anything written by Larry Davis or Jim Schild.

[Steve Stasko]

The 440 car...note how the Belvedere trim was added later.

[Steve Stasko]

The R023 car. Note the stripe and 1/4 window lettering.

[Frank Castros]

Steve,
Your knowledge of all MOPAR especially Sox & Martin is outstanding. Please tell us more about yourself or feel free to send me a Private Message.
Frank

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

There is no scoop to explain before March of 1967. Sox had two cars at the start of '67...the flat hood Hemi Belvedere (383 car originally), and the twin scooped 440 GTX (white interior). The third car was the R023 which came later (May). There are plenty of early 1967 photos showing the first two cars with their old white hauler before they got the new R/W/B hauler later that year. Also, if you look at early photos of the white interior car...it did not have the Belvedere trim on it, that was added later.

The 383 car was kept through '68. After the R0 scoop came available, it was converted. They put a rectangular Hemi badge on the front edge of the fender where the Belvedere nameplate normally was. The R0 car always had both name plates on it (Belvedere & Hemi). This is all documentable by publicly available photos. The photos I attached are the converted 383 car.

Jim Skarbek wanted to buy Ronnie's '67 car, but Ronnie was contractually obligated by Chrysler to continue running it into 1968. Sox & Martin prepared Skarbek a B029 car instead. Sam Carroll bought the 440 car.

Charbonneau ran his '66 from the year before, he got a '67 Fairlane not long after. Grotheer also ran his '66. Grotheer never had an R0 car...his '67 car was built from a 6-cylinder car using the driveline from the '66 car he had.

The '68 explanation is the whole topic of this post. Chrysler submitted bogus paperwork and NHRA allowed the scooped hood on the '67 cars. If you ran in Belvedere or Coronet 440 trim, you ran C. If you ran as a GTX or Coronet R/T...you ran D. NHRA put a stop to this, and that's why Sox put the twin scooped hood on his car for Englishtown. Geoff Stunkard covered that years ago in one of his articles in the collector's guide.

The info is out there man, you've got to want it, and you're not going to find the answers in anything written by Larry Davis or Jim Schild.

OK, All of that makes a lot of sense..and it brings on one more question....caused by the bogus paperwork issue.....

Lets deal with the RO23 -

It ran SS/B for most of 67.

It ran SS/D at 68 Winters - dd it run at all at the 68 Nats?

And what class did tje RO23s run in 69, SS/D or SS/E...I have results lists showing both....hence my confusion.

BTW, I’m an Aussie..we don’t get the old cool magazines you guys got - So when compiling my web site I had to rely on ‘the books’, a few mags I bought on Ebay...and asking lots of dumb questions of people like you.

Ive also got to know quite a few old school racers...Ed Miller, JG Elliot, Tom Myl....but memories fail.

Thank you for the pics...your explanation has parted the clouds��

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

OK, All of that makes a lot of sense..and it brings on one more question....caused by the bogus paperwork issue.....

Lets deal with the RO23 -

It ran SS/B for most of 67.

It ran SS/D at 68 Winters - dd it run at all at the 68 Nats?

And what class did tje RO23s run in 69, SS/D or SS/E...I have results lists showing both....hence my confusion����

ussue

The car that was running SS/D in '68 at the Winters was the converted 383 car. They had a twin scooped hood on it at Indy that year. See attached from both races.


They were still flopping between classes in '69 with trim/hood changes.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

The car that was running SS/D in '68 at the Winters was the converted 383 car. They had a twin scooped hood on it at Indy that year. See attached from both races.

They were still flopping between classes in '69 with trim/hood changes.

Gotcha. No wonder the results lists don’t make sense!

I have a couple of pics with Stricklers name on the door, was this for the 68 Nats?

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Gotcha. No wonder the results lists don’t make sense!

I have a couple of pics with Stricklers name on the door, was this for the 68 Nats?

Dave ran the R0 car at Indy in '67.