I need to apologize!!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

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Only 88 lbs
Really?
Hears the problem young man.
People spend a lot of time and $ to do these race car things
And I agree It’s your car ..race it how you want .
But when someone’s actions cause harm to other competitors cars and combos
It tends to piss people off .
What’s funny is I know a few people that run this combo but there to polite to complain to the person who causes this possible HP problem
I’ve seen this before when someone is not fast and gets a GOOD PiECE and bangs said combo yet pleads well I didn’t know it would go this fast ..
Well guess what?
This same person will complain about the 88 lbs earned for their decisions to go fast win Class ..And guess what There slow once again.
So when you make a mess of your combo ..you need to clean up your mess
Because you ain’t making friends by making others clean up The Mess

Ya know, I can agree with everything that you've said here Ponko. I may not relate to it but I can see your points.
Story-telling time, I got a phone call from a Racer on Friday. He wanted to know if I had any Dime Rocket P.O.S. stuff laying around that he could use or throw together to run this year. Now this Racer has some VERY fast stuff of his own but he doesn't want to run his own stuff because it's "too fast" and he doesn't want to slow it down. He also likes working and tuning his stuff to try and make it faster and now he can't. He wants a P.O.S. that he can tinker with and go as fast as possible without having to worry about it.
Here's the point of this story, the Racer is pushing 80 years old! How long does he plan on racing and who or why is he trying to "save" his combo? He has legitimately worked and spent what it took to get his stuff to this point only to be afraid to go too fast. WHY? IMHO, he should be out enjoying every bit of the fruits of his labor while he still can.

[Larry Hill]

It will only be a two pound gift but NHRA will round the 3327# down to 3325#

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I can agree with everything that you've said here Ponko. I may not relate to it but I can see your points.
Story-telling time, I got a phone call from a Racer on Friday. He wanted to know if I had any Dime Rocket P.O.S. stuff laying around that he could use or throw together to run this year. Now this Racer has some VERY fast stuff of his own but he doesn't want to run his own stuff because it's "too fast" and he doesn't want to slow it down. He also likes working and tuning his stuff to try and make it faster and now he can't. He wants a P.O.S. that he can tinker with and go as fast as possible without having to worry about it.
Here's the point of this story, the Racer is pushing 80 years old! How long does he plan on racing and who or why is he trying to "save" his combo? He has legitimately worked and spent what it took to get his stuff to this point only to be afraid to go too fast. WHY? IMHO, he should be out enjoying every bit of the fruits of his labor while he still can.

Boom!! This right here!! I have been watching this thread waiting for the right moment to chime in. After talking to Daren Poole-Adams (who drives a slow 302 COPO hahahaaha) I’ve been thinking again.

I came from racing heads up NMRA and NMCA. It was a lot of work to stay top of the heap because others were working as hard or harder than I was. Really very gratifying that we were able to hang with some great racers. I had many friends that ran NHRA Stock and Super Stock. I had grown used to a .400 Pro tree and heads up racing. Like Biily’s buddy here I enjoy working on and improving the performance of my race car. After driving a bunch of Daren’s COPO’s I decided to take the plunge and build my own Stocker.

I had several racers tell me to scour the guide sheets for fast combinations. They also said look at combinations that no one else wants to run. Stick cars, Fords or Mopar’s have less racers and some fast combinations.
Any late 60’s to early 70’s Chevy product had a ton of racers and the indexes have been beat up.

I settled on a 2010 to 2014 Cobra-Jet platform. Jesse Kershaw had done a great job getting a lot of combinations in the guide for that platform. I had attended many races watching the racers with these combinations and how they qualified at Indy without an AHFS in place.

I really like the COPO’s but it was a big up front cost for me. The COPOO’s that were raced were getting hit on their index’s within a year of their release. You would need to spend big $$$ to hang with the fast guys.

I went with a stick shifter 4 valve Ford Coyote Combination . I chose a slower combination (2012 302/ 325HP) to get my car sorted out for the first year. That turned into 2 years. After George went -1.21 under at Vegas we are now at 336HP. I was planning on jumping to the 2013 302/350HP combination so that made the decision easy. Now the problem is that that combination is softer than the 325 now 336 deal. I had to slow my car down to try to preserve the index.

Looking at what Mike Fuller and Charlie Downing have done I will run mostly in Super Stock this year. I might be slow there but I can work on my performance without having to slow the car down.

There will always be racers to work harder, spend more money and or time to be fast. With the value of some of the older cars it might be more cost effective to change combinations.

Robin

[GUMP]

COPOO's....

[Larry Hill]

If a combo has two runs if 1.20 under it will take 20 runs of .800 under to bring the average to .836 under. So all is not lost maybe just a few heads up races.

[4543]

Robin Lawrence said THIS!!!

There will always be racers to work harder, spend more money and or time to be fast.

So True!

Mike McMahan 2543 G/SA

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 4543

Robin Lawrence said THIS!!!

There will always be racers to work harder, spend more money and or time to be fast.

Mike McMahan 2543 G/SA

only to "have" to slow their stuff down and complain about it.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

With the value of some of the older cars it might be more cost effective to change combinations. Robin

This should be going on much more often than it does.