Joe Newbie, 20 Builds a "Stocker"' in 2023

[Billy Nees]

Realistically, NHRA in all of it's Eliminators has left the average person behind. There is no longer any Eliminator which could be called "Entry Level" and that includes Jr. Dragster.

[doglover44]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Realistically, NHRA in all of it's Eliminators has left the average person behind. There is no longer any Eliminator which could be called "Entry Level" and that includes Jr. Dragster.

Thought Super Street was supposed to be a entry level class

[L.Fite]

I was watching Super Street on one of the broadcasts...
It's definitely not what it was in the 80s/90s...
More like Super Gas Lite...

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by L.Fite

I was watching Super Street on one of the broadcasts...
It's definitely not what it was in the 80s/90s...
More like Super Gas Lite...

I was at a Divisional at Tri-State in Iowa a few years ago and was watching the Super classes run. They called up S/Street and here comes a Top Sportsman Mustang with a 715 ci motor throttle stopped to 10:90. It also appeared most of the cars could run at least low 9's. So much for "entry level".

[1347]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Realistically, NHRA in all of it's Eliminators has left the average person behind. There is no longer any Eliminator which could be called "Entry Level" and that includes Jr. Dragster.

I really don't know how we can blame NHRA for letting all these costs get out of hand. This has happened in every motorsport except for maybe the 24 hours of Lemons. No one ever said you had to spend as much on a super street engine as a stocker engine. If you look at the " Evolution " of all these classes, it all comes down to someone trying to get ahead of the curve to get a competitive advantage.
Short of having a claimer rule, you will never stop someone from spending their money to go faster or win more rounds.
Racers buy 15k engines for street stocks to win 300 dollars at the local short track, and there are a whole bunch of racers and ex racers that feel that form of racing is ruined too.
Ya just gotta roll with it and keep going. Hopefully the roller lifter effort doesn't win too fast lol

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1347

I really don't know how we can blame NHRA for letting all these costs get out of hand.

Duane, Racers will always PUSH the "rules" to their limit! It is the people that MAKE the "rules" responsibility to make sure that the Racers ADHERE to the rules! When the Racers DON'T ADHERE to the "rules",they are supposed to be PUNISHED! That is no longer the case because the people that MAKE the "rules" are no longer in control because of a lack of qualified people to ENFORCE them and a fear of legal action against them.
As Racers, it is our responsibility to PUSH the "rules" to their limit while we still, at the same time ADHERE to them. The NHRA are the people that MAKE the "rules" and it is their (supposed) responsibility to ENFORCE them. When Racers DON'T ADHERE to the "rules" and aren't PUNISHED, whose fault is it? It's not the Racers! They're doing what Racers are supposed to do.
EVOLUTION is what happens when the "rules" can't or aren't being enforced.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Duane, Racers will always PUSH the "rules" to their limit! It is the people that MAKE the "rules" responsibility to make sure that the Racers ADHERE to the rules! When the Racers DON'T ADHERE to the "rules",they are supposed to be PUNISHED! That is no longer the case because the people that MAKE the "rules" are no longer in control because of a lack of qualified people to ENFORCE them and a fear of legal action against them.
As Racers, it is our responsibility to PUSH the "rules" to their limit while we still, at the same time ADHERE to them. The NHRA are the people that MAKE the "rules" and it is their (supposed) responsibility to ENFORCE them. When Racers DON'T ADHERE to the "rules" and aren't PUNISHED, whose fault is it? It's not the Racers! They're doing what Racers are supposed to do.
EVOLUTION is what happens when the "rules" can't or aren't being enforced.

Billy,
I may not remember this correctly. Didn't sometime ago NHRA tell some people their heads were illegal because of how much the intake side had been milled to get the port volume correct. Those people said lawsuit and the issue was drop.


Stan

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Billy,
I may not remember this correctly. Didn't sometime ago NHRA tell some people their heads were illegal because of how much the intake side had been milled to get the port volume correct. Those people said lawsuit and the issue was drop.


Stan

I don't honestly know if the lawsuit was dropped. There WAS a lawsuit initiated.

[Bob Sherwood]

I think Newbie is folding up his computer , headed to his shop with his head hanging down , thinking I'm never going to be able to build a stocker cause all these guy want to do is beat the past to death and not give me any real information on what to do.!!!! tell me factually how to build my own motor , what to use for a rear end and trans and how to set them up , what to do to my suspension to get down track. These guys don't have someone to mentor them and with class racing having a 100 rules you have to follow that you don't know anything about. Overwhelming for a newbie to even think about undertaking ---in my opinion. Class racing with all it's silly a---rules --- or heads up or bracket with whatever I choose . Tough sell to a lot of racers

[1347]

Originally Posted by Bob Sherwood

I think Newbie is folding up his computer , headed to his shop with his head hanging down , thinking I'm never going to be able to build a stocker cause all these guy want to do is beat the past to death and not give me any real information on what to do.!!!! tell me factually how to build my own motor , what to use for a rear end and trans and how to set them up , what to do to my suspension to get down track. These guys don't have someone to mentor them and with class racing having a 100 rules you have to follow that you don't know anything about. Overwhelming for a newbie to even think about undertaking ---in my opinion. Class racing with all it's silly a---rules --- or heads up or bracket with whatever I choose . Tough sell to a lot of racers

If Newbie finds the right people, some on classracer, some at the track in person, he will find plenty of people to help him get out there to race. A new racer needs to make up his mind what direction he wants to go in. It could be a Billy and Mark car which will get you under the index without spending every dollar you have and more. It could be a v8 combo that could be made to run .5 under to get you out there, with room for improvement as you progress, or an all out effort to run with the Killer B or A crowd.
Sometimes the bitching on this site deter people.
I've had people come up to me and ask if there is anyone really happy classracing after reading posts on here.
I just recently watched a person say they wanted to build a class car on facebook only to be told if he doesn't have 40k for an engine. 50k for a good body, a motor home and a gold rush trailer he should not even try. I jumped in along with Gump, the Worners and a couple others and told that person he had no idea what he was talking about. That I was able to get out and race with some success by the help of some very good people I call my friends. I try to help others the same way.
Sometimes the doom and gloom on this site is not a positive in a sport we complain is dying without new blood.