index lowering

[340Cuda]

I don't see anyway lowering the indexes will increase car count and that is what we need.

I also think it will deter new racers from getting into Stock and Super Stock.

We need replacements for old guys like me that have aged out

Bill Lamb

[j gardiner]

If all these guys who can run a second under in any condition would be willing to tear down, including pulling a piston and a rod for any run more than a second under. We will see how many cars can run a second under in the middle of summer.

[J.R. Haddad]

Gardiner, you said two different things. I am not sure I understand your
point.

J.R.

[HR9121]

Again, virtually everyone that wants the indexes lowered are the same people that complain the AHFS doesn't work! Lowering the indexes is taking another chance away for it to work, just like raising the automatic hit to -1.30 was and all the other changes that have been made. Let's just say it out loud the guys that are real fast don't want the system to work for obvious reasons..... I can tell you from experience it's no fun adding weight!

[j gardiner]

Gardiner, you said two different things. I am not sure I understand your
point.
My point is there are some fast cars that can run over a second under at will, but have to slow them down so they don?t hit their combo. They are the ones who want to drop the indexes.2. While their is no doubt their are some very smart people working very hard on their combos, it is no secret that the significant increase in performance over the last several years has a lot to do with the lack of tech.

[DG]

Originally Posted by j gardiner

Gardiner, you said two different things. I am not sure I understand your
point.
My point is there are some fast cars that can run over a second under at will, but have to slow them down so they don?t hit their combo. They are the ones who want to drop the indexes.2. While their is no doubt their are some very smart people working very hard on their combos, it is no secret that the significant increase in performance over the last several years has a lot to do with the lack of tech.

The fastest race cars usually have had their motors torn down many times.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by DG

The fastest race cars usually have had their motors torn down many times.

I call BS on this one.

[Alan Roehrich]

A few observations from a currently former competitor, who may or may not be able to return, due to health, and the resulting financial issues.


First, yes, everyone should have a place to race. However, everyone can't, and shouldn't, run Stock or Super Stock. No class, or even sport, can be everything to everyone. That's a recipe for disaster.


Second, anyone can see that NHRA has no real interest in increasing the car counts in either Stock or Super Stock. Some individuals at/in NHRA probably do, but corporate NHRA doesn't care.


Third, changing the triggers is probably the best possible "common ground" solution.


Fourth, you're never going to make everyone happy, and probably shouldn't even try. Actually, if you've pissed everyone off at least a little, and no one too much, you've probably gotten it about right.


Fifth, you're never going to get a "level playing field". No two humans are the same on a day to day basis, so what they accomplish won't be. And some combinations are never going to go very fast, some stuff just doesn't have any real potential.



Sixth, some people are willing to spend time and money to go fast, some aren't. It gets prohibitively expensive to try to keep money out with rules, and often to keep effort out with rules.


Finally, some people are going to choose slow combinations in lower classes, and they're not going to be willing to spend the money on aftermarket pistons, camshafts, etc, never mind power train (transmission, converter, etc) stuff to go fast. You're NEVER going to make them equal to or happy with the guys running fast stuff and building high end engines and transmissions.


Over my 45 plus years as a motorsports enthusiast, and competitor in several motorsports, I have seen attempts to make those sports and classes "fit everyone" absolutely destroy the sports over the long run. I've seen fast growing sports permanently stunted, and seen entire sports nearly disappear, with tracks closing, spectators leaving, and competitors quitting. It just doesn't work. Stock and Super Stock are probably the most hard core sportsman classes in drag racing, along with Competition Eliminator. The "casual competitor" is never going to really fit in, or be happy. Myself, I'm sidelined specifically because I can't be competitive right now in any way that I care to compete. I'm on the side lines helping people and trying to rebuild.


Y'all can take all that, or leave it, for whatever it's worth, or not worth.

[Sean Cour]

Smh!

[JGrossijr]

Does anyone know when the indexes were last adjusted?