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Old 04-28-2025, 01:40 PM   #1
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Well ! ! ! 38 posts and not one ( 1 ) stinkin picture .........
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Old 04-28-2025, 02:38 PM   #2
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I believe the rule book does state this clearly, I was told once that the rule book states only what yo can do and all else is not permitted. The bold text in the general reg identifies the ruling. Under general reg 4:5 GROUND CLEARANCE A-Arm Upright 4:4 Minimum 3 inches from front of car to 12 inches behind centerline of front axle; 2 inches for remainder of car, except oil pan and exhaust headers where permitted. When permitted under Class Requirements, devices used for anti-rotation purposes (i.e., wheelie bars) are exempt from the 2-inch clearance rule. Unless otherwise permitted by Class Requirements, the installation of a ?beam breaker? in front of the body is restricted to extending no farther forward than the body or bumper and must also satisfy the 3-inch ground-clearance requirement.

In the stock section of the rule book:
BODY Alterations or customizing prohibited; extent of customizing is limited to paint only. Convertible-top cars must run with top up. Sedan delivery, Ranchero, El Camino, etc. (if found properly classified in the Classification Guide) are eligible only if all class requirements are met. Raising and/or lowering front or rear of cars prohibited. Cars must retain level attitude at standstill, except those that have a forward rake (a permitted modification). Bottom of rocker panel cannot be higher than centerline of rear axle. Body mount insulators may be replaced with solid mounts of same size. Aluminum or other lightweight material may not be used to replace heavier items on car. In front-wheel-drive vehicles, air dams and spoilers that were available through the manufacturer are permitted front and rear This is pretty clear that it is not legal.
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Old 04-28-2025, 02:39 PM   #3
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Page XIX of the 2025 NHRA Rulebook

"How to Use This Rulebook"

"On the other hand, as to performance equipment, it is the
general rule that unless optional performance equipment or
performance-related modification is specifically permitted
by this Rulebook, it is prohibited. All model, engine, or
equipment changes or modifications not specifically
addressed in this Rulebook must be submitted in writing
to NHRA for consideration prior to competition. Approval
will be granted or denied in NHRA?s sole and absolute
discretion. The applicant will be notified of approval or
rejection in writing from NHRA headquarters."

Being that the beam splitter has a definitive purpose, and is not specified as legal in the Stock Eliminator rules, I would deem it illegal.
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Old 04-28-2025, 07:10 PM   #4
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Here you go Jack pics for you. During the fabrication of the item of controversy May 14, 2024 (flip the pics Click image for larger version

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Then 2 pics of it in use at a bracket race in November 2024. During full throttle attitude and with car at rest in the Winners Circle Photo same day. And use at bracket race Battle of the Brands March 2025. And 1 without it from Oct. 2023 and the actual 6 points I can use to break the 6" high beam at 1,320' depending on last move before the beam. Actually 6 points from front bumper point to tires (bumper, upper spoiler, lower spoiler, lower air dam, tires). Hard brakes to full throttle and all done with 2 feet.

With it on only 2 points...bumper on brakes or the beam breaker.

Attached not to the body in any manner (as I witnessed of many other body alterations to serve the same exact
purpose in both S/SS before taking the
step of adding the allowed device. But
added by adding 2 1/2 in bolts to the
frame member holding the front bumper
assembly, equal with the front of the
lower front spoiler, at least 2" behind the
front bumper, and 10" in front of the
lower rearward air dam mfg. attached
with 2 bolts and easily removed in 5 mins. The 6 points marked in the 1st photo (class win, without beam breaker), are feet apart from bumper to tires.

At this point I would rather leave us all guessing at which point I have total control of using to break the 1,320' beam 6" off the ground with. I only have control of the removal or use of mine, others using other forms and fashions (there are many), must be holding their breath right now. They are out there, and not just a few. People only saw mine because I did not customize or alter the actual body to achieve the same goal.
below the radiator support.

I used those particular pics as to show the attitude of the car at rest and at full throttle operation. The last move *without it present and attached*
determins which point of the car triggers
the 6" high beam break point...hard
brakes (but not smoking tires), and out
of throttle the bumper breaks the beam,
Out of throttle light to no brakes, the
spoiler breaks the beam, out of it late
the lower air dam breaks the beams,
dead in it, the tire breaks the beams.

Without it on, the track can be 4 different lengths...all my choices. With it on, hard brakes and out of it bumper only. And all other choices 2" back the beam breaker ended all timing. I have not touched the brake pedal but once since I put it on. Ask any of my competitors as many of them know I have broken out against a lot of them (both by tiny amounts and large amounts as wind affects the slower cars by a lot more than faster cars as we are just flat out in the wind longer, far too many and this deep dive has educated me I am far and away better off without the aid of the Still determined by NHRA and their rulebook "beam breaker" as described in G.R. 4.5.
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Old 04-28-2025, 07:31 PM   #5
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Without it in Oct. 2023 the 6 points marked w/ yellow numbers 1, 1.5, 2, 3, 4, and 5's. It can actually go faster on the brakes if chosen very late in the run.

And with it recently in March (bracket race).
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