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[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Again, not one rule was changed to allow the Supra. In fact this statement is blatantly false. There's how YOU think the rules are written and what's actually in the rulebook.

I'm almost finished with a 2024 Camaro. It has a 9" rear and a transmission that has zero OEM parts (including the case). It was built from a CRC so it never had a VIN. It is also 100% legal.

History shows that I was against almost every "enhancement" over the years. All it does is drive up the cost and add complexity to the cars. But, I don't make the rules, I just do my best to roll with them.

You claim that "Not one rule was changed to allow the Supra", how about the rule that for over 1/2 century , only cars were allowed in Stock that were included in the oficial NHRA Classification Guide'? Or did NHRA decide to give you a fresh sheet or paper to create a Toyota that is NOT in the guide?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

Yes, times change but the present state of Stock (and Super Stock) is so far away from what it was meant to be is more than annoying to me.

Not in MY house!
Stock and SS have changed because NHRA accepted "deals" which forced S/SS to change and certain Racers took advantage of those changes. I'm not going to determine whether the changes are right or wrong but they're not for me.

[4543]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

You claim that "Not one rule was changed to allow the Supra", how about the rule that for over 1/2 century , only cars were allowed in Stock that were included in the oficial NHRA Classification Guide'? Or did NHRA decide to give you a fresh sheet or paper to create a Toyota that is NOT in the guide?

There has always been a procedure to have something added to the guide

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Not in MY house!
Stock and SS have changed because NHRA accepted "deals" which forced S/SS to change and certain Racers took advantage of those changes. I'm not going to determine whether the changes are right or wrong but they're not for me.

You were part of a couple of discussions yesterday!

[GTS340]

Please Sir can I have more.Now we have a transmission adapter aproved. But please sir I need more too. It never ends! These new car builds are rediculous. No focus on the normal cost to to build a chassis. I think most who care. Can't wait to see the "I need a break on the factory rated Hp rating". will be.

Paul Haszlauer

[1347]

Its amazing the resistance that is being posted on here against Daren getting this combo approved. If we want to move forward with class racing, this is how it's done.
Not everyone wants a fwd Escort or Cavalier. Nor do they want to pay 30k for a non junk 69 camaro to turn it into a race car. Alot of racers started as car guys, so they want a cool car in their eyes to start out with, just not a car that fits as a good combo.
I understand the rules are moving farther and farther away from the 1970s stock rules, but if you dont use those rules to your advantage, you will be left behind. We have a guy in D1 that probably has the most legal stocker in the country and would probably pass 1970s rules. You know what that gets him? Bottom of the sheet, and at bad weather tracks a designated pair dialing the index he cant cover.
There is no award for that. I get it, cam rules, transmission rules. Roller rockers, "Enhanced" cylinder heads and many many other things have pushed us farther away. But maybe something like this Supra will get the interest of a younger person, or maybe not. But fwd 90s cars and 2bbl Mavericks definitely won't either.

[Alan Roehrich]

Sorry, I don't buy the "we must fundamentally change the classes into something else in order to 'save' them" argument.


In the end, what did you actually "save"?




Sort of reminds me of some guy who said "we live in the greatest country on Earth, join me now to change it".

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Sorry, I don't buy the "we must fundamentally change the classes into something else in order to 'save' them" argument.

I don't believe that allowing the Copos, CJs and DPs into Stock saved anything. It just put the Eliminator into a situation where we now have 8 sec. combos racing against 17 sec. combos. If the "Factory Racers" were put into SS (where they belong), history has shown that modern showroom Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers would have found their way into Stock anyway and in REAL STOCK classes.

[Mark Yacavone]

Actually, what it did was brought in lots more guys who could write those 3-4 hundred dollar entry checks on a regular basis.
You know NHRA is not complaining about that.

[GTS340]

When you spend some time at the e.t. races. There are plenty of young drivers enjoying drag racing their "brand new" cars. Someone said this will bring out the younger crowd. Now son to race your car at a NHRA event. You will need to install a 70 yr old Ford 9" in there. Can't beat it! There are new parts for them. How do you do that. Open your wallet as wide as it can be stretch,, my good man. My new car has a V6. Oops NHRA doesn't recognize new plan janes. Your best bet is to buy a factory race car. By the way the parts for a mopar drag pak are no longer available. Can we start over!

Paul