2008 Mid Year Stock, Super Stock Horsepower Adjustments Announced

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by GENE BUELL

Thumbs up to the guys who actually run their cars down the track like the race cars they are.

The AHFS is not fair for the combo's with small car #'s, period. It's NHRA's ignorance to "award" HP on different body types with same engines yet throw you in with others when they want to. You all know it's the owner/drivers ability to make the car go down the track, not the body type, the $$ (it helps) or East or West of the Rockys.

You seen what the 396 guys did for their combo, make some calls, play some games. Works out as long as you have enough cars in the combo and races to go to. Stock racing is not just racing anymore with a "performance based race car" but how to play a game.

Keep your eye on the "six pack" hit, I don't think it said "B body only", and if it did, well, NHRA could lump all the six packs together as they have for other combos.

If everyone would just remember why they race S/SS, performance, flat out drag racing, and run their cars like a "real" race car not a reality game show maybe NHRA could do away with AHFS and support the racers like years ago.

Just how many of you like to see guys "lifting", it sucks to be there and see that, might as well be a ".90"class. I remember when everyone actually ran them out the door, now it's the "class" in class racing thats gone out the door.

Actually, the FEWER cars there are running a certain combination, the EASIER it is to keep it under control. Look to see who DID NOT get hit among the fast cars to see this is true. The iron head 396 ALMOST got hit, and the more popular aluminum head 396 DID get hit. There are a LOT more 396 cars than there are Shelby Mustangs, the only Shelby that got hit this year ran more than 1.4 under. That's ONE example, showing that the Shelby guys have an easier time protecting their combination for the most part. They've been smart, and done a good job of protecting their combination.

The number one most obvious and fatal flaw in the AHFS is that some of the softest combinations that have small car counts never get hit despite actually being faster than more popular combinations with a higher car count that do get hit.

There is no way to do away with the AHFS with the current make up of Stock and Super Stock, and you sure as Hell don't want to replace it with a bunch of people, because you are not going to find enough honest people representing a broad enough cross section of the classes to give fair representation to everyone.

Racing has always been a game, and the really fast guys don't show you what they have on every pass, they never have. Sandbagging will NEVER leave class racing.

[Bruce Noland]

I agree with Alan.

[Scott Loge]

Gene,
We agree 100%!!

Mr. Mason,

I guess the hours in the garage or the $ weve spent were not in the right place. We do and have raced a long time a psychiatrist or brake specialist might have been a better investment.

Mr. Hill,

I was done but decided I would share the facts. 3rd rd at a national event when yoiu've been driving fairly well I would think you would give it everything you had, We DID!! Wesley was .002 or 5 and Chad was .031. Sixty foots and 660 were in favor of Chad by 3 hundredths. Damn close in my book so Chad lifted at about 1,100 when Wesley started goin away but mind you goin away was never more than a wheel. Pomona was a mistake and we knew it. We did not expect the car to run that fast and had made several changes that should have kept it from doing so but instead we may have found a few things that we did not expect.

To the best of my knowledge these are the facts, if you would like at anytime we could discuss this further.


Thank you!!

[art leong]

I have one question? Is there anyone that can not run the index, due to the horsepower hit? You might lose an advantage in class, But these cars can still go fast enough to win an event.
This IS a performance based eliminator.
I think the AHFS is a good idea, BUT they should tear cars down for the automatic stuff. And they should altitude correct all runs, including altitude factored tracks.
I remember the "GOOD OLD DAYS" when the OUIJA (pronouned WE-GEE) BOARD or the DART BOARD were the main source of the fickle finger of factor.I remember engines getting horsepower when there were 2 or 3 faster combos in the same class. Just because they were'nt politically correct.
And I'm not being a crybaby because the combo we ran never got factored.
I think you will see more guys quitting because of sandbagging than the economy. What fun is it to run to 1000 ft and shut down or run 300 pounds heavy.
This is supossed to be racing not coordinated swimming
This is why I'll never go back to a horsepower oriented class. If my index gets hit everyone in the class has to work harder.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by art leong

I have one question? Is there anyone that can not run the index, due to the horsepower hit? You might lose an advantage in class, But these cars can still go fast enough to win an event.
This IS a performance based eliminator.
I think the AHFS is a good idea, BUT they should tear cars down for the automatic stuff. And they should altitude correct all runs, including altitude factored tracks.
I remember the "GOOD OLD DAYS" when the OUIJA (pronouned WE-GEE) BOARD or the DART BOARD were the main source of the fickle finger of factor.I remember engines getting horsepower when there were 2 or 3 faster combos in the same class. Just because they were'nt politically correct.
And I'm not being a crybaby because the combo we ran never got factored.
I think you will see more guys quitting because of sandbagging than the economy. What fun is it to run to 1000 ft and shut down or run 300 pounds heavy.
This is supossed to be racing not coordinated swimming
This is why I'll never go back to a horsepower oriented class. If my index gets hit everyone in the class has to work harder.

Art, the complaint, and it is legitimate, is that while some of the cars that got HP are fast, other cars that are even faster did not get HP. It's not that they lost an advantage, it's that the faster cars just gained again, and the cars that got hit are at an even bigger disadvantage. If you were already around a tenth behind, and suddenly NHRA hung 5HP on you at 8# per HP, then you'd be unhappy as well.

I'm not crying either. Neither of our cars got hit. One reason we don't run a 396 is because there are so many of them and they get hit fairly often. One reason those of us who lobbied for the AA classes also asked for a two tenth lower index is to allow the cars to run. NHRA actually asked us what we felt the index should be, and rather than 11.10, we asked for 10.90, the vote was nearly unanimous, I think only one person dissented.

[House of Darts]

I gave up on Stock Eliminator. Well maybe for 2 more years. I checked out a 10K S/SS race in Div. 1.There were a few heavy hitters that were pedaling before the 1000' mark. That's nuts. Her's a solution to the problem. Since we don't get enough qualifying passes how about this. Everyone makes two passes within a 2-3 hour period. You don't get your time. Just like Pinks All Out. Then you get another 2 passes on the clock. Then after tech, eliminations begin. You run faster than your mystery time... your out. Will the supermen of our class be able to defeat this system? Maybe yes. Maybe no.There are two recent winners in S/SS , Mosbeck and Beard that bring home the dream of every S/SS racer that you don't need to run in the top of the class to make it to the finals and win. Every racer that I have spoken to wants to run all out. They do fear refactoring. Refactoring should be done on a yearly basis like before the new season. S/SS is not like Pro Stock. Not everyone is shooting for a 6.67. A 15.80 W/S is pitted against a 9.90 A/SA. The W/S car and driver must be on the money. The combo affords no wiggle room. The A/SA has power advantages but then again his/her budget is much higher. Do the higher class cars always wins? NO. Do the number of cars under "G" at a divisional event out number the higher class cars? Usually YES. How many events no longer pay for a class win. So break the class record. Get your name in ND. Be pround that you picked the right combo or your talented enough to find the extra HP or you died and went to heaven and have all the $ in the world to build a 50K P/SA. Run all out! No pedal racing! No fender racing! Just racing!

[Dick Butler]

TOO many MOTORS which vary by one cc head spec. one casting number different, one lobe spec. NO ONE will every correct them all to be even with the open books to keep looking.
Want to fix it? Limit motor choices but in any of the car bodies. The smaller the number the easier to control. One 350 chevy 67-72 One set of specs one HP. Too limiting? do you want to fix it? Do you want to run heads up on the gas?
It needs to be similar to AH for fairness to all in the classes. All brands though. Factoring should be brand to brand in a class not 15 350 motors with one cc difference or bigger carb or injected.
Too radical? maybe but it would help make AHFS simpler.
The time of using the books to be fast may be gone for the good of the sport and the attitude of the entire field of racers...

[Larry Hill]

What's done is history, two very nice runs I might add. We just need to communicate better so this AHFS will have a limitted effect on our combinations. Phone 270 994 4004 Larry

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

What's done is history, two very nice runs I might add. We just need to communicate better so this AHFS will have a limited effect on our combinations. Phone 270 994 4004 Larry

No Larry,

Instead of killing heads up racing we need to change this system and add something that makes sense. The only thing that the current system does is a "plateau hone" the very top. The trigger method is faulty and needs to be replaced. No cars should be factored because the air is better. We need to stop doing silly things like that.

It would be so much easier for NHRA and better for the racers.

Lynn
317-839-8378

[Don Kennedy]

Lynn McCarty ideas are very sound and makes a lot of sense . Hire Lynn To get the NEW AHFS Headed in the right directions is the way to go >>