2008 Mid Year Stock, Super Stock Horsepower Adjustments Announced

[Jeff Lee]

I agree with Scott. There is no reason any one "musclecar" platform should have any advantage with AHFS HP over another, i.e., "B"-body Road Runner, Charger, etc., over the "E"-body 'Cuda, Challenger. Furthermore, that would apply the same with musclecars like the Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, etc. If the OEM placed a musclecar engine in the platform, all is equal. The only variance perhaps is "sportscar" platform, i.e., Corvette.

The B-body MOPAR will perform equally as well in Stock with a 426 HEMI as a E-Body Challenger once shipping weights are taken in account for. NHRA has long established there are no considerations for ram-air systems in the vintage musclecars so that takes care of that argument. Same with the Camaro / Nova or Chevelle, Mustang / Fairlane, etc.
If one platform seems to be more effective in Stock, it just proves the right person hasn't been applied to the other platform in my opinion.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

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The B-body MOPAR will perform equally as well in Stock with a 426 HEMI as a E-Body Challenger once shipping weights are taken in account for. NHRA has long established there are no considerations for ram-air systems in the vintage musclecars so that takes care of that argument. Same with the Camaro / Nova or Chevelle, Mustang / Fairlane, etc.
If one platform seems to be more effective in Stock, it just proves the right person hasn't been applied to the other platform in my opinion.

but still we have to see an B-Body hemi to run as Henson did with the Challenger with even 20 hp reduction... remember when mr Lynch very rapidly brought the 402 Nova upp to 405(or was it more) and the Camaro stayed at 390..I questioned that and a Camaro owner said the "hood clearence" was not enough on the camaro(that was the body specific argument from him)..think i said something about that they weren't using the original manifold anyway anymore so the clearence thing was thier own choise..or something...well the Nova came back down to 395 pretty fast after Lynch stopped beating it...dont know how that worked...dont know how that part is outlined in the AHFS...think people and judgement are involved.. The AHFS killed the possibility for People to see HEMI Cuda's and Challenger in stock..now it looks that the 6-pak B-Bodys are going that same way but Shelby's and other are working the system...all because the non-involvement of skilled people..

[herbjr]

Henson went red, didnt scale, went fast and now he isnt racing....hmmmmmmmm.

[Jeremy]

Fred's new GTX car is very very fast.
Thanks

[Julie Jordan]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Henson went red, didnt scale, went fast and now he isnt racing....hmmmmmmmm.

Fred has had health problems and, as a result of medication he is taking, has been unable to get his license renewed. His car is fast and legal. So there's your hmmmmmmm.

[Jim Cimarolli]

Just curious,,,
Can anyone tell me why a Camaro/Nova/Chevelle are lumped together now, didn't used to be, and a B body Chrysler is different from an E body?
Hopefully I can ask a question on here without being called a crybaby...

[JD Smith]

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

Just curious,,,
Can anyone tell me why a Camaro/Nova/Chevelle are lumped together now, didn't used to be, and a B body Chrysler is different from an E body?
Hopefully I can ask a question on here without being called a crybaby...

JIM, that is a good question and that is why the AHFS is flawed, very flawed....why are HP factors not the same regardless of which body style or model when they all have the identical motor....

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by JD Smith

JIM, that is a good question and that is why the AHFS is flawed, very flawed....why are HP factors not the same regardless of which body style or model when they all have the identical motor....

This could possibly be the NAIL that seals the B-BODY coffin!!!

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

Just curious,,,
Can anyone tell me why a Camaro/Nova/Chevelle are lumped together now, didn't used to be, and a B body Chrysler is different from an E body?
Hopefully I can ask a question on here without being called a crybaby...

Other than wheelbase and the body, they're basically the same platform. B & E body floors and structures all pretty much interchange, shelf headers are sold as B & E body units. E bodies have a slight rear frame angle difference butthat's not an issue on only 9" wide slicks. And even at 130-135 MPH, you couldn't convince me there's an aerodynamic advantage one over the other.
1970 - 1972 B body has Ram-Charger style option (flip up style) air-grabber if that's what you want. Of course the E body 1970-1971 have the shaker ot T/A & AAR hoods for fresh air induction. 1968-1969 B body's also have a weak flush mounted air-grabber induction but there were no E bodies in those years so comparrison is not needed.
So no, there's absolutely no reason one platform needs a 27 HP AHFS penalty. And I'm glad to hear Mr. Henson now has a 426 B body. I'm sure he and Mr. Holton will prove I'm right. 'Cause you guys don't lay down, right?

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

Just curious,,,
Can anyone tell me why a Camaro/Nova/Chevelle are lumped together now, didn't used to be, and a B body Chrysler is different from an E body?
Hopefully I can ask a question on here without being called a crybaby...

If the mopars been lumped together the average probably would been more favorable..in the thing that happened before...you could almost say the Iron Nova was saved by a Camaro...and the chevelle was just a byestander in that "race"(well he came up with the idea ofcourse) ..maybe the mopars would get the same chance then?

with that said..The guys still running all out must be commended for doing what this is all about..not the other way..i also understand the guys working hard to be the fastest just to be rewarded with more lead holding back..this continous adding weight has to stop somewhere..i hope that lowering the index with a keept trigger will show somewhat were the cars stand right now...this system has made all stay at -1.15(well not exactly all then)and i think it could be totally screwed between some cars and makes...it never seemed to be this much of a problem with the "old system"

p.s. before alot of people start jumping about lowering the index again..with comment like $$$-heads,bring stock valvesprings back,or so..this is the reality right now!..there are some combo's that are hard..i know...but they have to be lowered in hp then..not saved by an index!