if wally was'nt dead this woulda killed him

[THE LEGEND]

I'm tired of reading so I skipped to the end to post. I remember racing a pure stocker (IHRA) in the early 80's. You had to win class or you did'nt race on Sunday. in 1981 I won class all 3 races I went to with multiple cars in the class I might add. We had to teardown at 2 of them. Fast forward a couple of years we got a single for class and still had to teardown.
STOCK
1) Should be performance driven.
2) Cars should be torn down
3) CLASS WINNERS SHOULD GET TO RACE
4) If you want fastest cars only run COMP.

Underdog rule: How many times have you watched a run with a 3 or 4 second spot, and pulled for the slow car to win?

The reason the A,B,C, etc cars don't want the slow cars racing is the same reason Dragsters don't like running door cars in bracket racing. THEY CAN'T JUDGE THEM. THEY HAVE TO DIAL HONEST.

What I see here is a bunch of people that have figured out buy a camaro pick an engine builder and run 1 second+ under. No work involved with that. The problem they hav'nt figured out is if you run off these other class cars you eventually only have about 4 or 5 classes at a race. That means more heads up runs. I guess thats when they do away with heads up. If this rule stays in, you will see Stock end up like IHRA Top Stock.

Former Class racer that still has Class
Chip Johnson

[Bruce Noland]

Thanks Tony,

I felt like there had to be at least one person to do it over all these years.

[Billy Nees]

Damn Chip, I've never met you but I knew that there was something about you that I like!

[Bob Shaw]

According to some of you guys Kevin Helms should not have been allowed to run stock eliminator at the 2007 U S Nationals. He singled for his class win in B/S and only ran .78 under. I guess he needs to work harder, spend more money, learn how to go faster, change to a class with more cars in it, and then he would be considered good enough to race with the rest of you!

[Jim Wahl]

Great point Bob! There were several others also. Chip, you are the man, you hit it on the head, and yes you do have class no matter what class you run! Good to see you Billy posting on this also.

It appears to me that most of the people who for this rule change are guys who are fast enough to qualify but NOT fast enough to win their class. Just an observation. Jim

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

I'm tired of reading so I skipped to the end to post. I remember racing a pure stocker (IHRA) in the early 80's. You had to win class or you did'nt race on Sunday. in 1981 I won class all 3 races I went to with multiple cars in the class I might add. We had to teardown at 2 of them. Fast forward a couple of years we got a single for class and still had to teardown.
STOCK
1) Should be performance driven.
2) Cars should be torn down
3) CLASS WINNERS SHOULD GET TO RACE
4) If you want fastest cars only run COMP.

Underdog rule: How many times have you watched a run with a 3 or 4 second spot, and pulled for the slow car to win?

The reason the A,B,C, etc cars don't want the slow cars racing is the same reason Dragsters don't like running door cars in bracket racing. THEY CAN'T JUDGE THEM. THEY HAVE TO DIAL HONEST.

What I see here is a bunch of people that have figured out buy a camaro pick an engine builder and run 1 second+ under. No work involved with that. The problem they hav'nt figured out is if you run off these other class cars you eventually only have about 4 or 5 classes at a race. That means more heads up runs. I guess thats when they do away with heads up. If this rule stays in, you will see Stock end up like IHRA Top Stock.

Former Class racer that still has Class
Chip Johnson

Good post ,Chip

This seems to be the attitude for some :

I have a car in one of the most popular (chaser) classes . I could qualify by ET at Indy but may not win class. I want to race anyway. I spent alot of money on my car. It's not fair...CHANGE THE RULES

Two years down the road, now that there's 30-40 bolt together LT1, LS1 and 305 cars in the eliminator:
I can't survive a heads up run in the eliminator....CHANGE THE RULES

Wake up

[Jim Wahl]

Hey Downer3548 or whatever, there were 31 singles at Indy last year. Only 5 of them were FWD cars. That leaves 26 that were RWD. So eliminating FWD cars would solve everything? Yeah 5 classes, right. That will do it! Funny, I'm looking at the names of the posters and excluding you, I see guys who have been #1 qualifier many, many times as well as multi time national record holders, even a world champion! Sort of blows your post all to hell doesn't it. You just prove what I posted earlier, the people who agree with this rule have an anti FWD agenda. Oh and you intellectual giant, it's spelled FRONT not FROUNT or FROUT ! Jim

[Jim Wahl]

Oh wait! This gets better! I see why 'Ol Charlie Downing #3548 is so touchy. Good 'ol Mr. Stock himself got TOSSED at Indy for being.........wait for it.............ILLEGAL! He was one of only two DQ's! He has to cheat to win class and qualify! "Damn those FWD cars! They made me cheat I tell ya!" Hahahahahahahahahaha. Hey are you going to the SportsNats next year Charlie? Look me up, we gotta party. Maybe you can give me some tips to pick my car up. Hahahaha. Ya gotta love it. Jim (the legal) "frount" wheel driver.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2007#indextop

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Oh wait! This gets better! I see why 'Ol Charlie Downing #3548 is so touchy. Good 'ol Mr. Stock himself got TOSSED at Indy for being.........wait for it.............ILLEGAL! He was one of only two DQ's! He has to cheat to win class and qualify! "Damn those FWD cars! They made me cheat I tell ya!" Hahahahahahahahahaha. Hey are you going to the SportsNats next year Charlie? Look me up, we gotta party. Maybe you can give me some tips to pick my car up. Hahahaha. Ya gotta love it. Jim (the legal) "frount" wheel driver.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2007#indextop

Way to go Jim.You said what a bunch of us were probably thinking.


Ed F.
Slow ,but I'm legal

[Rich Biebel]

This thread is great...I'm damn sorry I sold my LT-1 Stocker! The car has already been sold again and will likely sit around mostly as it has since last November.......Ed F.Called me a traitor last time I saw him and that was funny too, right Ed ! I should have kept it....spent some more money on it and got it going faster.....with the goal of getting to Indy and winning class!.....Nah....I love my dragster but don't even race it very often with the current cost of well everything......Nice to see Billy Nees posting again too...I love a guy who's not afraid to speak his mind.....and my old friend Bill falls in that category just a little bit....LOL.......Chip can definately win in any category and does regularly...he has earned his nickname....."the Legend". Bottom line is....everyone has their own idea of what is good for the class.