Wes Libby

Frank Bialas · 08-01-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bsa633

Frank.. put a Hemi in it...or 440-4 or even a 383..or a stick..what the hell..even SS/GA start to look good dont it?Atleast you have some choises..think about those that have whole combinations "destroyed"! AHFS sucks BIG WAY...the way it works now!

CAN'T find the bag, the one with the money in it for that new combo, and as far as the hemi combination goes, I haven't seen it yet but I understand that HENSEN has put together a GTX which will be INTERESTING-[understatement].Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Paul Dilcher · 08-01-2008, 12:42 PM

FRANK , did someone leave you holding the empty bag ?????? lol

Frank Bialas · 08-01-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Dilcher

FRANK , did someone leave you holding the empty bag ?????? lol

Hey Paul someone told me that you got the bag and I really need it back!!!! How you been Paul hope that all is well, Another thing don't forget you still owe me that toll MONEY !!!LOL , you know I haven't raced the blue beast in year and 1/2 finally get-er done and get SPANKED by AHFS with 6 big ones, thought that maybe the 396 was gonna get and left us alone so that maybe we would have a chance to catch up, BUT THAT DIDN't HAPPEN!

Paul Dilcher · 08-01-2008, 01:46 PM

Frank , You will not get any sympathy from me. I have got 23 h.p. since they started holding court. All it does is cost you more money.

Frank Bialas · 08-05-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

CAN'T find the bag, the one with the money in it for that new combo, and as far as the hemi combination goes, I haven't seen it yet but I understand that HENSEN has put together a GTX which will be INTERESTING-[understatement].Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Just found out that the HEMI-GTX of Hensen has been sold and should be at INDY with it's new owner which should be interesting -[understatement]. Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Bruce Noland · 08-06-2008, 09:42 AM

Okay, this thread keeps on hanging in there and now I'm a little curious about the rule in question.

I'm not saying any one has broken any rules and I'm certainly not thinking about palying any weight games.

But, where does an infraction like this belong in the grand scheme of Stock/Super Stock racing? Is it enough to get thrown out for a year or just bounced from a race? Or a serious lecture from Bruce?

Chuck Norton · 08-07-2008, 09:36 AM

Bruce, I seem to recall that someone, at some event was pitched for that event for intentionally by-passing the scale or fuel check. It seems that some unfortunate souls have even been summarily tossed out for not weighing following a catastrophic mechanical failure that resulted in being towed off the track. Talk about a double disappointment!

Of course, even the professionals are not exempt from the requirement to weigh unless specifically directed to drive by weight or fuel check. Tony Shumacher was DQ'd at Las Vegas during eliminations for just that reason.

A simple ejection from the event is one thing but there is also the question of what happens to a run that qualifies as a trigger for the AHFS? Should it be counted as a trigger automatically after procedures are violated? Is it grounds for an automatic horsepower penalty to attempt an end run to void an otherwise legitimate trigger? Is that fair to other competitors with the same combination? Should racers be policing other racers?

One thing seems certain. There needs to be adequate supervision of the scale/fuel check area to prevent uncertainties from arising.

Bruce Noland · 08-07-2008, 06:57 PM

Chuck,

Thank you for posting the best explanation that I have read on this issue.

Dan Fletcher · 08-08-2008, 08:42 AM

there needs to be a consistent enforcement of the rules, and for the most part I think there is, but...

and let me preface this with a big, fat I REALLY DON'T CARE...I DON'T KNOW THE GUY...I WORRY ABOUT MYSELF AND RECOMMEND OTHERS DO THE SAME...

I'm just reporting a simple statement of fact. Kelly Thomas was in the other lane when I made my first time trial in stock eliminator at the Sonoma divisional. We got to the end of the track, and while everyone else went to the left for fuel check and scales, he hung a right and did not. Period. End of story. He was DQ'd from the run, not the event. That's not the way I read the rulebook.

I'm sure there is some logical reason for his actions, and I would like to think we would all be shown the same consideration and discretion by those in charge should a similar situation arise in the future.

Could I spin this in anymore of a politically correct fashion?

Greg Barsamian · 08-08-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Bialas

Just found out that the HEMI-GTX of Hensen has been sold and should be at INDY with it's new owner which should be interesting -[understatement]. Looking at E-body still looks like the better choice.

Yo Firecracker, You DO know someone that can provide you with the Elephant castings you need!
But he'd probably want you to put a schitk in it!
Sg

08-01-2008, 12:42 PM	#2
Paul Dilcher Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: brockport newyork Posts: 97 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wes Libby FRANK , did someone leave you holding the empty bag ?????? lol __________________ Paul Dilcher 1037 STK

08-01-2008, 01:46 PM	#4
Paul Dilcher Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: brockport newyork Posts: 97 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Frank , You will not get any sympathy from me. I have got 23 h.p. since they started holding court. All it does is cost you more money. __________________ Paul Dilcher 1037 STK

08-06-2008, 09:42 AM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Okay, this thread keeps on hanging in there and now I'm a little curious about the rule in question. I'm not saying any one has broken any rules and I'm certainly not thinking about palying any weight games. But, where does an infraction like this belong in the grand scheme of Stock/Super Stock racing? Is it enough to get thrown out for a year or just bounced from a race? Or a serious lecture from Bruce? __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

08-07-2008, 09:36 AM	#7
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 474 Likes: 108 Liked 89 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Bruce, I seem to recall that someone, at some event was pitched for that event for intentionally by-passing the scale or fuel check. It seems that some unfortunate souls have even been summarily tossed out for not weighing following a catastrophic mechanical failure that resulted in being towed off the track. Talk about a double disappointment! Of course, even the professionals are not exempt from the requirement to weigh unless specifically directed to drive by weight or fuel check. Tony Shumacher was DQ'd at Las Vegas during eliminations for just that reason. A simple ejection from the event is one thing but there is also the question of what happens to a run that qualifies as a trigger for the AHFS? Should it be counted as a trigger automatically after procedures are violated? Is it grounds for an automatic horsepower penalty to attempt an end run to void an otherwise legitimate trigger? Is that fair to other competitors with the same combination? Should racers be policing other racers? One thing seems certain. There needs to be adequate supervision of the scale/fuel check area to prevent uncertainties from arising.

08-07-2008, 06:57 PM	#8
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Wes Libby Chuck, Thank you for posting the best explanation that I have read on this issue. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

08-08-2008, 08:42 AM	#9
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 493 Likes: 129 Liked 1,045 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Wes Libby there needs to be a consistent enforcement of the rules, and for the most part I think there is, but... and let me preface this with a big, fat I REALLY DON'T CARE...I DON'T KNOW THE GUY...I WORRY ABOUT MYSELF AND RECOMMEND OTHERS DO THE SAME... I'm just reporting a simple statement of fact. Kelly Thomas was in the other lane when I made my first time trial in stock eliminator at the Sonoma divisional. We got to the end of the track, and while everyone else went to the left for fuel check and scales, he hung a right and did not. Period. End of story. He was DQ'd from the run, not the event. That's not the way I read the rulebook. I'm sure there is some logical reason for his actions, and I would like to think we would all be shown the same consideration and discretion by those in charge should a similar situation arise in the future. Could I spin this in anymore of a politically correct fashion? __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

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