S/SS - Lower the index -0.50 & run Pro ladder

[bsa633]

..who would go to races whitout a chance of winning or even winning a round?Bob Shaw or someone like him would win alot before his current combo would be in line with others then he would just show up with a new one,it would sure change the type of cars running in stock,and without any real tech how would you actually do it,and how many would actually stay in the class if your Camaro was dead meat and you had to get a "fast" car,not a good looking one? In SS there would probably only be modified cars left since there are constantly improved parts to get in that area compared to regular classes.

What is stopping us from arrange classracing during the regular timetrials ourselves at races that dont have it?sure no extra money(if not the racers decide to put it up themselves) but fun racing and the bragging rights are still there..some Nationals will be hard ofcourse with only 2 hits...well ofcourse with AHFS as today no one would hang it out anyway but there is factored tracks and tracks with bad air where it could be done !

I am for lowering the indexes (and keeping the trigger or a wider spread than today) because i think its needed to see were all combos actually are flat out right now,to much storys about "a couple of hundred pounds in the trunk" and so on for the current "not so good" factoringsystem to wok!i If it would show that some are way ahead some "human power" would need to take care of that.

Qualifying from the indexes could be a good thing(exept for safteyreasons maybe)...why not try it?

Pro Ladder..not flipping coins...not for me...it's called sportsman racing..NOT Professional..i afraid changing the format would hurt these classes,,since it's still this popular it has to be somewhat right as it is!

[fred thibeault]

lower the index .5 pro ladder and fullout finals.

[stockracer]

Dick, What class will you be running when they are consildated? Im sure you will be the fastest!

[Ron Ortiz]

Here we go again, "lets lower the indexes". What is wrong with you people. All you are trying to do is to protect your combo from being hit with HP because you can run more that 1 second under. So instead of doing a viable solution, you take the ignorant route. Meanwhile you will eliminate alot of racers or soon to be entrants. The only reason that you want to lower the indexes is for your own agendas. If you tomatoes out there had any brains you would be pushing for an elimination of the trigger. That is where the problem exists. The trigger. If there was no trigger you could run it out and not worry. Then you would have everybody going all out and viola, a performance based category. Who cares if you go 1 under or 1.5 under, it only matters when it is a heads up race. Why would you build a "race car" and try to slow it down. That is stupid. Get off your butts and bitch to NHRA to get rid of the trigger. After a while it will be evident which combos are in need of review and actions can be taken then. After about a year of running it out the back door it will be obvious which combos are factored wrong.

Now quit you ridiculous campaigning to lower the indexes and start bitching to get rid of that pain in the *** trigger.

And while I am thinking about it tell NHRA to quit raping the contingency sponsors. Then you would not have to consolidate classes.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA does'nt really matter, Stock will be gone soon. T/D & T/S

[55 Chevy]

I agree totally with Ron Ortiz. Drop the trigger altogether & leave the indexes alone! Lowering the number will do nothing but stop new people from wanting to run in Stock/Super Stock. Not a solution to the current problem.

[Mark Yacavone]

Let me get see if I get this line of thinking.
If you never lower the indexes and do away with the trigger for factoring, eventually there would be two or more seconds between two cars in the same class.
How many seconds would be acceptable to not discourage new participants 2?... 3 ?

[55 Chevy]

That is perhaps a good point that there may be quite a gap between two cars in the same class. But will not N.H.R.A. re-factor the horsepower of the cars that continue to run real fast after the trigger goes away. If two cars happen to have the same combo in the same class the slow car will also be hit,which is essentially making it tougher for him to run the index.
I actually think even if they dropped the trigger there would still be a bit of the sandbagging that exists now because no one wants to get h.p. by going too fast & getting "noticed".

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by 55 Chevy

That is perhaps a good point that there may be quite a gap between two cars in the same class. But will not N.H.R.A. re-factor the horsepower of the cars that continue to run real fast after the trigger goes away. If two cars happen to have the same combo in the same class the slow car will also be hit,which is essentially making it tougher for him to run the index.
I actually think even if they dropped the trigger there would still be a bit of the sandbagging that exists now because no one wants to get h.p. by going too fast & getting "noticed".

This is exactly what we had before, that everyone complained about.

[Tony Janes]

At this point in time I do not believe would be 2 seconds between any class in stock. Lowering indexes is the same old garbage.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Tony Janes

At this point in time I do not believe would be 2 seconds between any class in stock. Lowering indexes is the same old garbage.

Not saying there is now, Tony. That would be the results eventually.
You already have JR Stock cars running 1.50 under .How long before they run 10.30's ?
How much is too much?