S/SS - Lower the index -0.50 & run Pro ladder

Urraco · 09-06-2008, 03:24 PM

it looks stupid to try and go as fast as you can??? Wow. What a concept. Also insulting to those who work hard.

bsa633 · 09-06-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Urraco

it looks stupid to try and go as fast as you can??? Wow. What a concept. Also insulting to those who work hard.

Read it right...i mean you should lower the indexes so that maybe running -1.00 means something again..when those indexes that mike put up was used in the early 90's it was very few that made -.500.. thats was the norm then..we are probably .6-.7 faster as an average now...I just think like Mark Y were is it ending?..right now the cars are holding back some...how will it be in a couple of years?

Don Turk · 09-06-2008, 05:02 PM

Reading all of this is interesting. To me Stock is a mix of running Brackets and Performance racing. My car runs G/SA and that is a class with a lot of race cars. I did not pick my car a 1968 GTO because it would have a advantage in G/SA. I picked it because I like Pontiacs and GTOs. We all have our handicaps Because of funding, time, and focus my old goat is slow on a good day its been 3 tenths under. I build my own engines and work in the budget I am given to work with. I am also stubborn but enjoy the science of building a car .
I love racing class cars and enjoy brackets. Class racing is more challenging due to rules and frankly the level of competition even with shoe polish on the window. I looked at investing more to run faster but realized at 3 under or 7 under there is a faster car out there and in the end short of making a limited field could not see the sense in it for that reason which is just a personal choice. If I pursue more performance it will be cause my ego says it is time not sure if my brain can keep up but hey it is all about the journey right.

Pure heads up racing is great. My experience is that is it always pre ordained to fail at the grass roots level. Because some one will always be faster and have more money more time or more brains. I always wondered what would happen if we changed the landscape in sportsman racing. Much like bracket racing did years back.
Imagine a Stock or Super Stock rules as they are today...

Qualifying off the indexes as we do today with one change and that would be handicapping the tree using our indexes.

Next take all the contigency money and apply it to the top 10 qualifiers. Number one qualifier recieves a Trophy or wally as well.

Then take 50% or better of the purse and spread this across the top 32 qualifiers in a stepped fashion.
In essence put the big bucks and reconigtion into making the the top 32 in the field.

ELIMINATIONS
#128 runs #127
126 runs 125
124 runs 123 and so on
Heads up off the index with no breakout

Pay Round Money in a stair stepped fashion Rd1 Winners 20 bucks 40 60 etc....

The winner gets a wally and obviously the most round money.

Any one in the Top 32 left with the biggest money of the weekend.
How does it effect the fans.......Head Starts but the car that gets there first wins Period..Most understand why the 4 cylinder Pinto gets a head start over the Big Block camaro the disconnect comes from the breakouts.

For the racer and myself all of the sudden there is a new found motivation to get the tools out because maybe if I am 128 and 127 is .05 faster I can out drive him but what about second round when my opponent is .15 faster on their index.

Hey I went home with 20 bucks and because I gunned the guy or gal down at the tree I got by round one but man a .000 rt would not have won me round two. I have got to get faster to go another round. I am engaged because 20 bucks is better than nothing and early rounds very well may be a drivers game

Close racing, no breakouts, still better be able to drive, and short of round one losers some reward for a minor accomplishment. In the end you have to be able to build a fast car to get to the gold ring. Hell some of ya all would probably win two Wallys LOL
Keep talking because change is critical to the future of our sport we all love so much.
Besides everyone outside of Drag Racing thinks were all nuts anyway
Thanks
Don

09-06-2008, 05:02 PM	#3
Don Turk Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 90 Likes: 31 Liked 51 Times in 12 Posts	Re: S/SS - Lower the index -0.50 & run Pro ladder Reading all of this is interesting. To me Stock is a mix of running Brackets and Performance racing. My car runs G/SA and that is a class with a lot of race cars. I did not pick my car a 1968 GTO because it would have a advantage in G/SA. I picked it because I like Pontiacs and GTOs. We all have our handicaps Because of funding, time, and focus my old goat is slow on a good day its been 3 tenths under. I build my own engines and work in the budget I am given to work with. I am also stubborn but enjoy the science of building a car . I love racing class cars and enjoy brackets. Class racing is more challenging due to rules and frankly the level of competition even with shoe polish on the window. I looked at investing more to run faster but realized at 3 under or 7 under there is a faster car out there and in the end short of making a limited field could not see the sense in it for that reason which is just a personal choice. If I pursue more performance it will be cause my ego says it is time not sure if my brain can keep up but hey it is all about the journey right. Pure heads up racing is great. My experience is that is it always pre ordained to fail at the grass roots level. Because some one will always be faster and have more money more time or more brains. I always wondered what would happen if we changed the landscape in sportsman racing. Much like bracket racing did years back. Imagine a Stock or Super Stock rules as they are today... Qualifying off the indexes as we do today with one change and that would be handicapping the tree using our indexes. Next take all the contigency money and apply it to the top 10 qualifiers. Number one qualifier recieves a Trophy or wally as well. Then take 50% or better of the purse and spread this across the top 32 qualifiers in a stepped fashion. In essence put the big bucks and reconigtion into making the the top 32 in the field. ELIMINATIONS #128 runs #127 126 runs 125 124 runs 123 and so on Heads up off the index with no breakout Pay Round Money in a stair stepped fashion Rd1 Winners 20 bucks 40 60 etc.... The winner gets a wally and obviously the most round money. Any one in the Top 32 left with the biggest money of the weekend. How does it effect the fans.......Head Starts but the car that gets there first wins Period..Most understand why the 4 cylinder Pinto gets a head start over the Big Block camaro the disconnect comes from the breakouts. For the racer and myself all of the sudden there is a new found motivation to get the tools out because maybe if I am 128 and 127 is .05 faster I can out drive him but what about second round when my opponent is .15 faster on their index. Hey I went home with 20 bucks and because I gunned the guy or gal down at the tree I got by round one but man a .000 rt would not have won me round two. I have got to get faster to go another round. I am engaged because 20 bucks is better than nothing and early rounds very well may be a drivers game Close racing, no breakouts, still better be able to drive, and short of round one losers some reward for a minor accomplishment. In the end you have to be able to build a fast car to get to the gold ring. Hell some of ya all would probably win two Wallys LOL Keep talking because change is critical to the future of our sport we all love so much. Besides everyone outside of Drag Racing thinks were all nuts anyway Thanks Don

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09-06-2008, 03:24 PM	#1
Urraco Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 66 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: S/SS - Lower the index -0.50 & run Pro ladder it looks stupid to try and go as fast as you can??? Wow. What a concept. Also insulting to those who work hard.