roush cars in stock and super stock

442OLDS · 09-10-2008, 09:43 PM

Stock Eliminator is NOT a class for everyone, and not everyone will be successful.

Alan Roehrich · 09-10-2008, 09:55 PM

Hey, if you're going to quote me, at least give me credit.

CrateCamaro · 09-10-2008, 10:24 PM

Thats kinda getting away from what the grass roots of stock and super stock are all about. YES its a production vehicle but opening up this door is going to split the flood gate. If they had any brains they would think of a new class and invite the big three (GM/Ford/Mopar) and have match races. Kinda like how ihra had Top Stock but call it something else like Factory Supercar Showdown. It will draw a crowd and we all know there will be mid to high 8 second potential. Just dont mix it into stock and superstock and poison the prestege that the hero's of yesteryear have made. Dick Landy will turn in his grave if he knew there was going to be a power adder allowed in super stock. Haha...they probably still wont run with a SS/AH car.

Dick Butler · 09-10-2008, 10:34 PM

I heard this was coming. I suggested a carb motor be considered. If it takes 3 years or more to level the field of Carb /Injected factoring will Supercharged versus carb versus turbo ever be fixed. I think NHRA should limit the Motor to carb models. or Injected but not open the way to these cars.One think you can count on is confusion and Bi###ing from all sides. Great Idea to reenter racing BUT.......

Colin Wigle · 09-10-2008, 10:49 PM

How can you discourage this, we are entering 2009 that is the technology that we should be racing with. Stock and super stock are not nostalgic classes. The big three are in trouble and for them to want to get back into class racing means a lot, at least to me. Racing a current car with current power is in the best interest of the OEM, is it not??? I’m quite sure back in the late 60,s and early 70,s when the muscle car wars were going on they were not running 1940 and 50 engines. This kind of action should bring back excitement to S/SS, giving fans the true potential of the car they have in their driveway.

Colin

Alan Roehrich · 09-10-2008, 11:30 PM

I don't have a problem with new cars and the manufacturers coming in to Stock Eliminator. I think it is a GOOD thing. And fuel injection is fine, too.

It looks like the "Roushcharger"

is a roots style supercharger made by Eaton. I think NHRA can probably regulate them about as well as they regulate the rest of the stuff in Stock.

Let them run.

We don't run Super Stock, you'll have to get your opinion on their running Super Stock from Super Stock racers.

By the way, that supercharger looks pretty damned efficient, you might be surprised what it will do (think PSI). And given that Eaton says their big one will feed "large displacement V engines", I'd imagine it will really feed a 4.6L V8, Roush is putting the biggest one on their cars, according to their website. I'll leave it up to someone else to figure out how well that's going to work in Stock and Super Stock. Here's a link to the Eaton TVS web page:

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...iteId=EatonCom

cutta · 09-11-2008, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cwigle

How can you discourage this, we are entering 2009 that is the technology that we should be racing with. Stock and super stock are not nostalgic classes. The big three are in trouble and for them to want to get back into class racing means a lot, at least to me. Racing a current car with current power is in the best interest of the OEM, is it not??? I’m quite sure back in the late 60,s and early 70,s when the muscle car wars were going on they were not running 1940 and 50 engines. This kind of action should bring back excitement to S/SS, giving fans the true potential of the car they have in their driveway.

Colin

Colin, I'm part of the new generation being only 21, but I still admire the combinations of old because they are tride and true, and the basis of both Stock and Super Stock. I have absolutely no problem with the Supercharger being let in but I do have a problem with how NHRA is planning to manage the power these cars produce vs. that of the current SS/A-G cars. These motors have proved they can make plenty of power, upward of 2500HP maxed out, John Mihovetz proves that. But how is NHRA going to manage a power adder combination. Outlaw classes struggle enough trying to keep parity amongst turbo, nitrous, and blower. My question is how in the world is NHRA going to manage this?

Oh I know; no class war, just put them in a class of their own. SS/ABF( Blown Ford) hehe coudln't resist.

bill dedman · 09-11-2008, 03:24 AM

John Kelley asked: "And WHAT associations would that be ???? "

One such association is the "National Auto Sport Assn." (NASA)
For a discussion of that ruling, check out

http://tinyurl.com/62uvxs[/

There is another racing series that is exclusively Subaru turbocharged cars that also has
mandatory telltale boost gauges, but I can't remember what that series is called. But, both
organizations require them.

Why do you ask?

09-10-2008, 09:43 PM	#1
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,340 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock Stock Eliminator is NOT a class for everyone, and not everyone will be successful.

09-10-2008, 09:55 PM	#2
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,138 Likes: 1,617 Liked 1,928 Times in 434 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock Hey, if you're going to quote me, at least give me credit. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

09-10-2008, 10:24 PM	#3
CrateCamaro Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 411 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock Thats kinda getting away from what the grass roots of stock and super stock are all about. YES its a production vehicle but opening up this door is going to split the flood gate. If they had any brains they would think of a new class and invite the big three (GM/Ford/Mopar) and have match races. Kinda like how ihra had Top Stock but call it something else like Factory Supercar Showdown. It will draw a crowd and we all know there will be mid to high 8 second potential. Just dont mix it into stock and superstock and poison the prestege that the hero's of yesteryear have made. Dick Landy will turn in his grave if he knew there was going to be a power adder allowed in super stock. Haha...they probably still wont run with a SS/AH car. __________________ Tony Valerio 1968 Camaro 1700 IHRA H/CM 1701 NHRA SS/?A

09-10-2008, 10:34 PM	#4
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock I heard this was coming. I suggested a carb motor be considered. If it takes 3 years or more to level the field of Carb /Injected factoring will Supercharged versus carb versus turbo ever be fixed. I think NHRA should limit the Motor to carb models. or Injected but not open the way to these cars.One think you can count on is confusion and Bi###ing from all sides. Great Idea to reenter racing BUT.......

09-10-2008, 10:49 PM	#5
Colin Wigle Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 50 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock How can you discourage this, we are entering 2009 that is the technology that we should be racing with. Stock and super stock are not nostalgic classes. The big three are in trouble and for them to want to get back into class racing means a lot, at least to me. Racing a current car with current power is in the best interest of the OEM, is it not??? I’m quite sure back in the late 60,s and early 70,s when the muscle car wars were going on they were not running 1940 and 50 engines. This kind of action should bring back excitement to S/SS, giving fans the true potential of the car they have in their driveway. Colin

09-10-2008, 11:30 PM	#6
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,138 Likes: 1,617 Liked 1,928 Times in 434 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock I don't have a problem with new cars and the manufacturers coming in to Stock Eliminator. I think it is a GOOD thing. And fuel injection is fine, too. It looks like the "Roushcharger" is a roots style supercharger made by Eaton. I think NHRA can probably regulate them about as well as they regulate the rest of the stuff in Stock. Let them run. We don't run Super Stock, you'll have to get your opinion on their running Super Stock from Super Stock racers. By the way, that supercharger looks pretty damned efficient, you might be surprised what it will do (think PSI). And given that Eaton says their big one will feed "large displacement V engines", I'd imagine it will really feed a 4.6L V8, Roush is putting the biggest one on their cars, according to their website. I'll leave it up to someone else to figure out how well that's going to work in Stock and Super Stock. Here's a link to the Eaton TVS web page: http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...iteId=EatonCom __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S Last edited by Alan Roehrich; 09-10-2008 at 11:34 PM.

09-11-2008, 03:24 AM	#8
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: roush cars in stock and super stock John Kelley asked: "And WHAT associations would that be ???? " One such association is the "National Auto Sport Assn." (NASA) For a discussion of that ruling, check out http://tinyurl.com/62uvxs[/ There is another racing series that is exclusively Subaru turbocharged cars that also has mandatory telltale boost gauges, but I can't remember what that series is called. But, both organizations require them. Why do you ask? __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 09-11-2008 at 03:38 AM.

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