Just read this on DRO

[Bob Verwold]

Tony is that an attitude ? I think NHRA could find a better solution to the problem, this is a band aid on an open wound. NASCAR went to the soft walls in the corners can't they install something like this from 1000 ft on to the end. Is the cost to much for them to absorb.I think this is the beginning of every one going 1/8 mi. Hope it's not true.

[SSTRACER323]

found it

Martindale suffers fatal accident at Atlanta


Bobby Martindale, 65, of Glen Allen, Va. was killed Saturday, Oct. 4, during round 1 qualifying in Top Alcohol Funny Car at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, Southeast Division, event at Atlanta Dragway.
Martindale was on and off the throttle several times during his run and his engine quit with a bang at the finish line. His chutes did not deploy and his car hit the left retaining wall in the shutdown area. The body came off and the car continued on through the sand trap and the catch fence and into the wooded area beyond, where a small fire started, but was quickly put out.
DRO offers out heartfelt condolences to the Martindale family. [10/06/08]

[S/G 386N]

Originally Posted by SSTRACER323

The body came off and the car continued on through the sand trap and the catch fence and into the wooded area beyond, where a small fire started, but was quickly put out.

Sounds like it's time to update the catch fence. Looking at his run, he crossed the finish line at only 180mph. Plenty of time to coast to a slower speed. There shouldn't have been any reason the catch fence did not stop the car.

[Jason Oldfield]

Originally Posted by S/G 386N

Sounds like it's time to update the catch fence. Looking at his run, he crossed the finish line at only 180mph. Plenty of time to coast to a slower speed. There shouldn't have been any reason the catch fence did not stop the car.

Agreed. Any big surprise this was at an NHRA owned track? Anyone care to bet that the catch fence at Atlanta has not been updated yet like at Indy where they spent probably 30 minutes of broadcasting time telling how great of a job NHRA did with the new sand trap and catch fence? Would anybody be surprised if this hadn't been done since the Pros don't race at Atlanta again until next spring???

63corvette - I totally agree with you about the braking, I just have no idea how you enforce it, and when it has been brought up here in the past the competitors general reaction has been, "If you don't like it, or are too scared to race where hard braking is part of the game, then go race someplace else." So, I'm not sure you'd get the type of support you'd need on this issue to make a difference.

I don't know what caused Doug McRobie's crash, but again, I agree with you that the vast majority of the bracket racing (and that includes the .90 classes) crashes that I have witnessed have been due to excessive braking. Unfortunately, most of the drivers that I know that have had close calls, eventually go back to stabbing the brakes hard at the finish line. Some do it slowly over time, some it doesn't phase them at all and they go right back to doing in. IMHO, they're playing with fire, and eventually will get burned, hopefully just not to the extent that it will cause somebody's death.

That said, I don't believe your statement about one or two .90 racers being killed every year since 1990. I'm not saying that it's not true, but I'd have to see actual data before I believed that statement. Again, before McRobie, I can't remember the last .90 driver to be killed, particularly at a national or divisional event. And if that statement is true, I guess I'll have to stop bitching about my life insurance being so high compared to the normal everyday Joe.

There is a couple of ways you can look at this though:

1. There will always be deaths involved, as racing automobiles is a dangerous sport, and comes with inherent risks.

2. The sanctioning bodies need to do more to improve the safety of the competitors through upgrades to the facilities, and the creation of new rules and enforcement of existing rules, including those that would force some to either make significant changes to their cars or not be allowed to race.

For the sake of not making this post any longer (if any of you are still reading) I won't go into great detail, but I can't tell you how many times I've looked at a car in the staging lanes and said to myself, "Wow, I can't believe they're going to let that death trap go down the track." This happens MOSTLY at the local tracks, not the big races (heck, at most NHRA races, I'm usually saying, "Wow, that's a nice piece.") However, tech inspection could still be more thorough than it currently is, but my guess is that its not just due to time constraints (NHRA or IHRA can't spend an hour plus teching each car like NASCAR does because if they did tech inspection would last for days).

Let the hate mail begin...

[63corvette]

Jason I do not have data to support the one or two 90 racers killed every year since 1990 but I race across the country and can assure you it is the case. The reason the data is not available is NHRA does not put that kind of info out. They would rather that not be known. Those deaths did not always happen at a National Event or Divisional event but at a smaller track in an et race. Hardly any mention at all of those last 3 deaths in any publication I get. That is why it is not well known.
As far as the comment on passing tech I agree there are some cars at every race National, Divisional, or ET race that should not be down the track. More probably at the ET races at the small tracks.
Example, I was in the tech line close to a car at INDY this year I thought would not pass tech but it did.
It was a roadster with a scoop open on the back with the carb open to the driver which I thought was a NO NO yet it passed.
I just may be getting to old to do this.
Just My 2 Cents

[Charlie Yannetti]

Great post Jason......... and I will totally agree with your 2nd point that NHRA needs to improve on safety features at all sanctioned tracks........ I have seen accidents where cars got tangled up in guard rails in the shut down areas whch caused devastating injuries and in one case a fatality......... the tracks made statements claiming that the barriers would be changed, but as far as I know, have not........ but NHRA continues to hold races at these tracks without demanding improvement....... I have stopped attending races where there are guard rails instead of concrete barriers for the past couple of years....... if more racers boycotted unsafe tracks, or at least made their feelings known to their Division Directors of NHRA, maybe we could race under safer conditions......

Unfortunately, there will always be excessive braking and a a result, some crashes........ this is unacceptable, but if it happens there should be safe crash barriers designed to prevent serious injuries or death........

Like stated earlier, racing to 1000 ft is only a bandaid..... it will change things temporarily..... but not really change anything........ NASCAR did not shorten the length of their races because of crashes near the end of the race........ they changed the tracks and made them safer.......

[Mark Schmidt]

If you ever want to hear a nightmare story about NHRA and liability issues, ask Don Davis what happened when one of his cars crashed many years ago. Not a pretty story.

[63corvette]

Talk about track safety. I attended a NHRA National open this summer at a midwest track where there was NO Guardrail Past The Finish Line on the left hand side. It was stacked off the side of the track in loose piles about 50 ft from the racing surface. It was armor plate and piled loosly with exposed ends sticking up in the air. I went there and pushed the piles with those sticking up in the air toward the track down to where they did not point down track where cars would be coming at them but the loosely stacked piles were still there.
I was not comfortable with the track but decided to run and run the right lane as much as possible as we had traveled so far. There was a small car count and no crashes but it could have been a disaster. Needless to say my last trip there.
By the way the division NHRA crew was there and watched it happen.

[wsmracing]

A couple of weeks ago they interviewed graham light on nhra 2day asked him about the s.a.f.e.r wall barriers .........he said he didn't feel they were needed in drag racing , if i understood his interview,, i e-mailed n.h.r.a & suggested he explain that to some of the familes of the racers who lost their love ones this year........................could it have helped.????? ...............................a wall is a wall..............does nascar use different concrete than n.h.r.a..?..........when it could be a part failure that causes the accident or some meathead locking up the brakes....if the s.a.f.e.r wall could absorb the impact & save lives.....i think it could work in drag racing..........................thats my opinion.....& you know what they say about opinions...!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Top end braking has always been an issue.....when they check the master log time sheet, they can tell who lifted & dropped a couple of mph's or who locked up the brakes & scrubbed 15 mph off..........the time slips don't lie.........

[SG1809]

Originally Posted by Charlie Yannetti

Great post Jason......... and I will totally agree with your 2nd point that NHRA needs to improve on safety features at all sanctioned tracks........ I have seen accidents where cars got tangled up in guard rails in the shut down areas whch caused devastating injuries and in one case a fatality......... the tracks made statements claiming that the barriers would be changed, but as far as I know, have not........ but NHRA continues to hold races at these tracks without demanding improvement....... I have stopped attending races where there are guard rails instead of concrete barriers for the past couple of years....... if more racers boycotted unsafe tracks, or at least made their feelings known to their Division Directors of NHRA, maybe we could race under safer conditions......

Unfortunately, there will always be excessive braking and a a result, some crashes........ this is unacceptable, but if it happens there should be safe crash barriers designed to prevent serious injuries or death........

Like stated earlier, racing to 1000 ft is only a bandaid..... it will change things temporarily..... but not really change anything........ NASCAR did not shorten the length of their races because of crashes near the end of the race........ they changed the tracks and made them safer.......

Charlie,

I agree with you also, especially when it comes to guard rails instead of concrete barriers. I too refuse to run on any track that does not have the concrete barriers. I think we all need to make decisions for ourselves on when and where we run our cars. Go with your gut feeling. I remember once where several of the Super Gas cars refused to run after the Jet Cars There has to be some kind of technology that can improve the safety of these tracks especially Top End. Hopefully something will change.

Pat I
SG1809