Stick vs. Auto index

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by bsa633

I always thougnt that automatics had an weightbreak in modified classes,are they gone nowdays?

Automatics still have a weight break in the modified classes; cars with a fully automatic trans can remove up to 5% or 250 lbs., whichever is less, from regular class weight. This is what makes Scott Gove's stick car so impressive. If I remember correctly, at the Dutch Classic last year in air that was not good; he ran 8.02 in SS/AM. If he is at the Classic this year and the air is as good as it usually is at the end of October; a 7 second run is very possible.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

[Evan Smith]

Bruce,

I am not championing this cause, I just chimed in after the point was made that sticks are simply better because of direct drive and better mph. That is simply not true. Nor can you say just because one car is fast that sticks are quicker than autos, as some would suggest.

I just don't like it when people don't tell the whole story. We all know stick cars mph better, but all the facts were not talked about. I really don't care if the indexes are changed for the stick cars, because I don't run heads-up in eliminatons against autos. I just wanted to make a point that all the facts should be considered if you are going to compare which cars are faster.

Evan

[Jeff Lee]

Really after thinking about it some more, the stick guys should be happy and I should shut up. Presently I'm .10 further away from a HP increase than my SS/HA competitors and Rob youngblood is .200 further away than his SS/JA competitors (I'm referring of course to the weight break each designation falls into). I'm getting some things tweaked on my car and suspect it could put me dangerously close to AHFS re-factoring territory.
I had the same thing happen when the east coast racers complained about the factored tracks out west a few years ago. That move lifted about .15 off my runs and made it easier to stay off the AHFS hit.
By the way, I started to post the spread on the SS indexes but don't see much sense in it. But it sure is ugly!

[bsa633]

My guess is that only if classes were combined we would get the real answer...to many variables ,alot more guys are flogging the auto's,(like 4:1) and who's to say what the time money and skill are playing in this,and who's having it? and all the sandbagging..etc. I still believe that if a stick and auto gets the same power..in a perfect world..the stick is always faster..also i think it's wromg to bring up radial tires in this dilemma...talking about indexes..should not be a factor..maybe someone figures out how to use them..or. maybe there is a faster tire for stick cars coming out in the future .well..thats if the demand gets big enough ofcourse..

[bsa633]

d.p,