New HP

[Evan Smith]

New hp is posted on the Lucas site. The '67 Ford 428 355 engine got 5 hp. It was 367, is now 372. For the record, it is the racers who give hp, not the NHRA. Of course, the class, engine and body combo can be twisted around, but by and large it is the racer's average, or a 1.40 (or quicker) run that garners anyone the lead trophy.

Let's face it, there is no way we will ever have a "perfect" system considering we are tying to even the playing field for virtually 50 years worth of cars, trucks and the technology that each vehicle brings. Not to mention the variation of tracks, weather, tech, compression ratios, displacement, wheelbase, body and driveline design. If anyone is smart enough to create a system that can equalize all of this madness I would gladly buy them dinner.

Evan

[Alan Roehrich]

I'll have to disagree with you Evan. There have been some really good discussions on how to fix the AHFS, and while it can never be perfect, nor can you prevent people from working the system, it can be improved a great deal. It would not take a great deal of effort on the part of NHRA, but evidently NHRA feels any extra effort on their part is too much.

[Dick Butler]

Alan, I have to agree. The plan includes allow as many combinations an easy entry and then wait as long as possible to pay attention because "its all dial in anyway". Chances of really having to race heads up is small.(in their thinking).

[Evan Smith]

Alan and Dick, I never said it couldn't be improved. I said it will never be perfect. The reason I'm on the SRAC is to try and continue to improve the system and to rectify other issues. I just tire of people who bash without facts (not saying that either of you did that).

It just amazes me to see some of the stuff on here. There was something about no Mustangs getting hp, when with a little research, anyone can see that the '67 428 did get hp. Yes, NHRA loves Mustang drivers in Stock so much that they will never get hp again and can run flat out at will. People actually believe crap like this.

Evan

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Alan and Dick, I never said it couldn't be improved. I said it will never be perfect. The reason I'm on the SRAC is to try and continue to improve the system and to rectify other issues. I just tire of people who bash without facts (not saying that either of you did that).

It just amazes me to see some of the stuff on here. There was something about no Mustangs getting hp, when with a little research, anyone can see that the '67 428 did get hp. Yes, NHRA loves Mustang drivers in Stock so much that they will never get hp again and can run flat out at will. People actually believe crap like this.

Evan

Evan,
The problem is that the AHFS is so flawed in its present state that people get pretty damned aggravated with it. And then NHRA flat out refuses to fix it. At all. That is why people rail against it so much. Take a look at your example. Go look at the blueprint specifications for that engine, and then go look at the specifications for the 396 and 427 Chevy, just as an example. Compared to the 396/375 with aluminum heads, the 428 you use as an example carries 33 LESS HP, or in A/SA, 264 POUNDS LESS. Now that's not the ONLY example, maybe not even the worst. But it is pretty bad. Yes, the guys who run it are smart in choosing it, and smart in protecting it. But a car that is already slower has gotten more HP in 6 months than it has gotten in two years. The AHFS doesn't have a few minor flaws, it has holes you could damned near drive a Comp car through.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I'll have to disagree with you Evan. There have been some really good discussions on how to fix the AHFS, and while it can never be perfect, nor can you prevent people from working the system, it can be improved a great deal. It would not take a great deal of effort on the part of NHRA, but evidently NHRA feels any extra effort on their part is too much.

Alan,you make some good points.However,the bottom line is that "Stock Eliminator is NOT a class for everyone and not everyone will be successful"
Did I quote that correctly?
I would put that in bold,but not sure how you do that.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Alan,you make some good points.However,the bottom line is that "Stock Eliminator is NOT a class for everyone and not everyone will be successful"
Did I quote that correctly?
I would put that in bold,but not sure how you do that.

Yes, I said, "Stock Eliminator is NOT a class for everyone, and not everyone will be successful". I stand by that quote, and it has no bearing on whether or not the AHFS system is seriously flawed, nor does it have any bearing on how much effort it would require to fix it. I have no idea what point you are attempting to make by bringing up that quote.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

New hp is posted on the Lucas site. The '67 Ford 428 355 engine got 5 hp. It was 367, is now 372. For the record, it is the racers who give hp, not the NHRA. Of course, the class, engine and body combo can be twisted around, but by and large it is the racer's average, or a 1.40 (or quicker) run that garners anyone the lead trophy.

Let's face it, there is no way we will ever have a "perfect" system considering we are tying to even the playing field for virtually 50 years worth of cars, trucks and the technology that each vehicle brings. Not to mention the variation of tracks, weather, tech, compression ratios, displacement, wheelbase, body and driveline design. If anyone is smart enough to create a system that can equalize all of this madness I would gladly buy them dinner.

Evan

I know this is "BEATING A DEAD HORSE" but dont forget all of the bogus cars and parts (some of the very ones you are talking about) that NEVER get DQ'ed because the NHRA tech dept. will not grow the balls or gain the knowledge.....no, let me refrase that....the tech dept. knows whats going on and most are good ....its because management is afraid of law suites and the same crap just keeps going on year after year because every time the tech dept throws someone out the "big guy" in Calif. over rides the decision....the guys who believe in the "tooth fairy" will always be 2 to 3 tenths behind. The ones who can keep up are using soft combinations and never seem to get HP. Things will never change until management changes. What happened to the process of weighing pistons and rods in tear down????? I know you guys get tired of me saying this but wake up and take a look around. I could name a few names and exactly what they are doing but its of no use and not on this forum.