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[Stick Racing]

I'm not understanding why everyone says '...NHRA should do this or IHRA should do that...'.
Why hasn't someone thought '...Gee, why can't we do that..'. Why does a US Class Nationals or Class Nationals or some form of, have to be an NHRA event? Get a promoter and some sponsors and make it happen. Maybe some of the Srac members like Woodro and a couple good tech guys like yourself, Terry, (not that I'm volunteering you guys.lol) could tech and supervise teardown.

Class runoffs, NHRA rules. Heck, the Hemi cars are a show in themselves. A/stick was a hit at Indy.
Throw in a Top Stock or Top SS and you would have quite a show. It's not like there aren't enough class cars out there to make a great field.

Am I the only one to see what Ron Christianson did with a bunch of bracket cars?

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Andy Stone 1102 B/S 1112 SS/C

[Dick Butler]

Alan,
You are right about the banding together. Most racers have a selfish agenda and they might not even be able to admit it.They own a car they know.
Agenda: They have a car worth money and are afraid someone will change the overall rules just enough to put them at a disadvantage or make them change their class of competition or make a change which changes the importance of their beliefs about Drag Racing in the sportsman group.(arent the rules moving all the time anyway)
1)Manufacturers money or postings : as number of classes goes up (or stays HIGH like now) Too much $ to post for all class winners on a product if cars only buy a product one time and make it last for several seasons.Most want it to go to a racer not NHRA so with large posting some is lost to the NHRA pool.
2) As long as the racer gets to have a massive number of class choices and combinations this will not change.BYE runs still get contingency. If not the racers would move to a contested class on their own.
3) With no draw for a crowd of spectators ,stands are empty for bracket racing of CLASS cars at points meets and Nationals. No exposure of product names for advertising. Less important use of money than Dragster ad or magazines.
4) Sportsman racing has gone from racing a smaller number of classes with Names for the winners (Because of publicity and spectator knowledge) to dilution of the racing which decrease some class win importance or publicity since it is rarely done or minimally seen.
5) Due to the results of trying to get more entrants and pay less advertising NHRA has convinced themselves Sportsman racing is a Participant sport. Make a class for everything it is only Dial in anyway.The more classes accepted in the gate the more entry money. Result not many in a class so limit class racing at the event. ( the viscious circle)
That pools the cash and limits the people who deserve to split the pot of money into one elimination.
5)Fix it? it can be done but uncomfortable and unpopular to think of the things needed.
I doubt over 10-20 guys on this site would accept the changes even if they thought it would work.Agendas!

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Alan,
You are right about the banding together. Most racers have a selfish agenda and they might not even be able to admit it.They own a car they know.
Agenda: They have a car worth money and are afraid someone will change the overall rules just enough to put them at a disadvantage or make them change their class of competition or make a change which changes the importance of their beliefs about Drag Racing in the sportsman group.(arent the rules moving all the time anyway)
1)Manufacturers money or postings : as number of classes goes up (or stays HIGH like now) Too much $ to post for all class winners on a product if cars only buy a product one time and make it last for several seasons.Most want it to go to a racer not NHRA so with large posting some is lost to the NHRA pool.
2) As long as the racer gets to have a massive number of class choices and combinations this will not change.BYE runs still get contingency. If not the racers would move to a contested class on their own.
3) With no draw for a crowd of spectators ,stands are empty for bracket racing of CLASS cars at points meets and Nationals. No exposure of product names for advertising. Less important use of money than Dragster ad or magazines.
4) Sportsman racing has gone from racing a smaller number of classes with Names for the winners (Because of publicity and spectator knowledge) to dilution of the racing which decrease some class win importance or publicity since it is rarely done or minimally seen.
5) Due to the results of trying to get more entrants and pay less advertising NHRA has convinced themselves Sportsman racing is a Participant sport. Make a class for everything it is only Dial in anyway.The more classes accepted in the gate the more entry money. Result not many in a class so limit class racing at the event. ( the viscious circle)
That pools the cash and limits the people who deserve to split the pot of money into one elimination.
5)Fix it? it can be done but uncomfortable and unpopular to think of the things needed.
I doubt over 10-20 guys on this site would accept the changes even if they thought it would work.Agendas!

Dick,
I'm not so sure a lot needs to change so much in Stock and Super Stock.If anything,they need to raise the event quotas.This is the current entry list stats for Pomona.

02/05/2009 - 02/08/2009 - Kragen O'Reilly NHRA Winternationals

Category Quota Entries % Full
Top Fuel Dragster 24 7 29.2%

Fuel Funny Car 24 11 45.8%

Pro Stock 26 17 65.4%

Top Alcohol Dragster 24 19 79.2%

Top Alcohol Funny Car 24 24 100.0%

Competition Eliminator 50 15 30.0%

Super Stock 80 80 100.0%

Stock Eliminator 80 82 102.5%

Super Gas 130 112 86.2%

Event Total 462 367 79.4%

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Stick Racing

I'm not understanding why everyone says '...NHRA should do this or IHRA should do that...'.
Why hasn't someone thought '...Gee, why can't we do that..'. Why does a US Class Nationals or Class Nationals or some form of, have to be an NHRA event? Get a promoter and some sponsors and make it happen. Maybe some of the Srac members like Woodro and a couple good tech guys like yourself, Terry, (not that I'm volunteering you guys.lol) could tech and supervise teardown.

Class runoffs, NHRA rules. Heck, the Hemi cars are a show in themselves. A/stick was a hit at Indy.
Throw in a Top Stock or Top SS and you would have quite a show. It's not like there aren't enough class cars out there to make a great field.._____________________

Andy Stone 1102 B/S 1112 SS/C

Andy....it was done several years ago by Alex Denysenko and NOT by NHRA or IHRA. It was a killer race. Maybe it could happen again....who knows?

[Jim Woods]

I agree, I think the time is right for another class nat'ls. nhra rules would eliminate the ihra class cars, who in my opinion should be included , after all they would have some different classes and therefor be entitled to class runoffs as well. This could be accomplished with more action and less speculation. I would be willing to help out , anyone else?

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by THE ORIGINAL TANKER

I agree, I think the time is right for another class nat'ls. nhra rules would eliminate the ihra class cars, who in my opinion should be included , after all they would have some different classes and therefor be entitled to class runoffs as well. This could be accomplished with more action and less speculation. I would be willing to help out , anyone else?

You are correct.A BIG SS/S race that combines NHRA/IHRA cars could probably draw huge fields if the payouts were good and it was an all run field.The U.S.Class Nationals had 187 Stockers for the first round.A ladder was still created.

[Crisco]

Jim and Jim with the S/SS Association have a good thing going. I only see it getting bigger. We had alot of fun in Gainesville @ the Super Chevy show. It paid out good and almost everybody entered won something.

One problem I do see though is alot of your S/SS guys will not race outside of the NHRA/IHRA. They have to much money in their cars to "bracket race" them is one excuse I have heard. I wonder how many S/SS guys would show up for a $10,000 to win race with a good payback?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Crisco

I wonder how many S/SS guys would show up for a $10,000 to win race with a good payback?

Maybe we will get the chance to see later this year? Sad to say though a lot wont come to something like that because they wont earn any "GRADING POINTS".

[danny waters sr]

Crisco , If you need anything from the N.C east coast ,let me know. Sounds like you got something on your mind. Jim , I will see you in Fla in about 3 weeks .