Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races

[Andys dad]

You ever compare your adjusted altitude to the guy pitted next to you.

Ask 10 people and you will get 10 readings. Whose will rule?

I vote for NHRA to invent the "BCS" of drag racing - that will help us a lot.

What about payouts? A much more important topic.

Entry fees have gone from $75 to $250 but payouts have either stayed the same or gone down.

Get a grip.

[Signman]

Everyone should listen to what Lynn has been trying to get across for years. It seems that Angelo is and does understand, what about the rest?

Want to go fast? Great!

National and Divisional Races:
Qualifying and All Heads Up (class & eliminator) runs don't count. They are used as information for creating Lynn's system. Go as fast as you need to win. Evan's idea of awarding points is great! All runs during the eliminator (shoe polish) count.

National Opens: No runs at national opens count. Have a good time.These runs can be used to create Lynn's system.

After a couple of years of everyone having a good time and not getting hit Lynn's system should have enough data to be implemented.

The issue of atmospheric conditions and altitude tracks will need to be addressed. Some sort of algorithm will need to be created with weather conditions and actual altitude input to create a way of equalizing or averaging the information across the country.

A bit of a task, I would say. There would need to be a kit assembled with laptop loaded with software and weather instruments directly connected. No inputting weather and altitude numbers. A program like Crew Chief Pro could be further developed, weather instruments and GPs are available. Each division would have one or more kits. The kit would be updated and calibrated regularly by an single technician and sealed.

The official designated to operate it at the races would be properly trained.

The resulting factor would be used to adjust the actual performance numbers obtained and applied to Lynn's bell curve system. The factor more than likely would have to be established for each session as weather conditions change during the day, day to day.

Sounds like fun!

[Bryan Worner]

From reading all of the posts....I conclude that we should all just shut up and go racing! Angelo had the best solution! His suggestion goes along with what I stated earlier about having the weather conditions at each race be a factor in determining horsepower reviews! If #1 is 1.38 under and #2 is 1.15 under......there is a problem! That combo that ran 1.38 under needs reviewed instantly! But until something like this is implemented.......there is no use complaining because you're not going to change anything!

Hey Keith........why don't you go win a race before you call me a dumb f&%*!!! Or get your car to run at least .50 under so you can get a class win!!!

Ed, I won the division in Super Stock this year and did not drive a super fast car. In fact, I was the slowest car in my class at the Dutch Classic! And, I got beat in my only heads up run I had during elims all year at Cecil County by being outrun by over a tenth!

[Michael Beard]

Lynn and Angelo make sense.

[Harry 6674]

How would they're ideas eliminate the shoe polish from class racing? Sounds like more of the same to me just more difficult for NHRA to administer.

how about set the ahfs at -.075 under, no quota for national events and a 64 car qualified field?

fix the problem if there is one pretty quick

[Bruce Noland]

Formulas sound good but we all know nhra ain't into spending money on us. That is their favorite thing about the ahfs, apparently they have discovered that it can semi sorta replace an active tech department. They will deny it.

A person from out west tells me that this new -1.15 rule was scheduled to be part of the revised ahfs release that is due out any day. And the majority of the racers had already said no to it. Slick little devils aren't they.

[Jeff Lee]

I'm really slow here. But then I spoke to 2 other racer's who had also hashed thru this thread and they couldn't give me a definitive answer either. So regarding this thread, is the proposed AHFS trigger of -1.15 under the index by itself or in conjunction with the proposed .200 reduction of each index? And either way, are we talking about a mandatory "review" @ -1.15 or are we talking a mandatory assignment of HP @ -1.15 under? Presently it's a "review" @ 1.15 and then HP is automatically assigned in incrementals thereafter.
I'd like a definitive answer, not a speculative answer and preferably from Len.
Thank you,
Jeff Lee

[Larry Buckingham SS3820]

It appears that one again Mr. Noland has put the cart before the horse - smart money says that the issue will be discussed and decided this weekend at the PRI show. We agree with Charlie Ford's suggested changes. We strongly believe that whatever the outcome ALL runs should count - not just 1st round of class.

On another subject that will effect us all - has anyone noticed the low entry availability for next year's National event registration? One example is Norwalk - NO Stock - 80 Superstock - yet 110 each of Super Comp and Super Gas. Throw in the Stockers who have no place to race, but can roll into Superstock and how many of you will be left out? We were told that the .2 adjustment was to eliminate some of this problem.

I don't know "Keith", but I do know the Worner Bros. and I sure wouldn't be callin' them names!

As for Len Imbrogno - he's the real deal. We've never asked him for help that he didn't at least try to help us. And now with Bruce Bachelder heading the Tech Department, we should see some major improvements and decisions that stick.

Regardless of the rule changes or the price of diesel fuel - we'll see ya all in the staging lanes because we love Superstock racing and most of the people involved.

Larry & Lisa Buckingham
SS3820/SS3821

[Michael Beard]

>> One example is Norwalk - NO Stock - 80 Superstock - yet 110 each of Super Comp and Super Gas.

Now that's ridiculous, IMO. We've run close to 1,000 cars at Norwalk for years.

>> We were told that the .2 adjustment was to eliminate some of this problem.

I believe Len said back on page 1 of this thread 'no' to the .20 index change. Len *is* a good guy, who has long stood for the racer. He deserves some respect.


>> how about set the ahfs at -.075 under, no quota for national events and a 64 car qualified field?
>> fix the problem if there is one pretty quick

Although probably tongue-in-cheek, that's probably not far off the mark! Everyone would be judged, refactored, and re-classed with a clean slate in a heartbeat! LOL