Think about this.........

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by nopwradders

I have a question regarding the "new" cars of S/SS. Or any fuel injected car for that matter. When is NHRA going to regulate the rules so that these guys have to run factory computers? I mean no "tune" or "tuning" with a lap top in the pits? I know a local Mustang that runs in one of these classes that has had the book thrown at it as far as the "tune" in the "factory" computer. I mean doesnt NHRa need to put a limit on this?

Just asking. I know the rules say OEM computers allowed. But has the NHRA looked into what tune can be applied and still be "stock"? Thats the question.

changing the tune in the computer on a N/A EFI motor is equal to changing carb jets, squirters, etc, and adjusting the timing. they don't regulate any of that on the carbureted cars, why would they do it on the EFI cars?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Ok....then what ? I can tune several comuters from a touch screen in the
car, VE tables across the board....no laptop.

The rules in STOCK are VERY clear, OEM-Type Aftermarket is allowed as long as its NHRA approved. These boxes are usually universal in nature and can be loaded with software for any engine the ECU is capable of.

You change your timing by turning your distibutor, I change mine with a setting in the computer. Same thing exactly, you have counterweights for your curve, I have a table in data.....your technology is 100 years old....litterally..

So you are handicapping FI cars saying they need to run factory timing, but carb cars dont ? You can use bigger jets in your carb but we cant send different signals to our injectors ?

Maybe you arent familiar with what can and cannot be accomplished with a "tune" its just that....you can do it BEYOND factory specs, we cant ?

Most factory computers have to be "cracked" some cant be, so the only option to run and be able to adjust these items, in some cases even tranny shifting is by using an aftermarket ECU......

It would be a great way to handicap them and give the old iron a longer competitive lifespan, but I dont see it as either representitive of Stock cars or something the NHRA wants to do (i.e. limit cars to only pre 1990 status)


I can

Originally Posted by nopwradders

I have a question regarding the "new" cars of S/SS. Or any fuel injected car for that matter. When is NHRA going to regulate the rules so that these guys have to run factory computers? I mean no "tune" or "tuning" with a lap top in the pits? I know a local Mustang that runs in one of these classes that has had the book thrown at it as far as the "tune" in the "factory" computer. I mean doesnt NHRa need to put a limit on this?

Just asking. I know the rules say OEM computers allowed. But has the NHRA looked into what tune can be applied and still be "stock"? Thats the question.

[randy wilson]

anyone who does not respect the grumpy old men on here who have helped create the mystic of s/ss lost my respect. some of these old men got more miles on them backing up after a burnout than some do going down the track!

[Bob Don]

Originally Posted by Indyracer

I have no accomplishments. You're better than me.

I was going to say something but sometimes "grumpy old men" have the wisdom to know when to keep their mouths shut.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Indyracer

I have no accomplishments. You're better than me.

We're no better nor worse than you.We approach racing differently.I get alot of satisfaction making an "old man's" car go fast for what it is.It's gratifying when people see
a straight 6 with a "go cart" carb and and they are surprised it went as fast as it did.
You choose to go fast,guided by mostly safety rules.Apples and oranges.

[JMatt]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

We're no better nor worse than you.We approach racing differently.I get alot of satisfaction making an "old man's" car go fast for what it is.It's gratifying when people see
a straight 6 with a "go cart" carb and and they are surprised it went as fast as it did.
You choose to go fast,guided by mostly safety rules.Apples and oranges.

Thanks Ed. I can respect that response and your brand of racing.
At least you didn't take a random potshot at me.

And yes - I go fast mostly constrained by safety rules. Anyone else get a new helmet and fireproof clothing for Christmas (adding a layer of CarbonX underneath the firesuit this year)?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I just turned thirty last month. Is that old enough to be a "grumpy old man"?

Naaaa.......Wait until your about 64 years young......LOL.
P.S. Happy Belated Birthday (you old fart)

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Indyracer

You drive a 14+ second car. That is slow.
"Seasoned" and "veteran" seems to equal "old" and based on your posts, you are "grumpy."

Thus, you are a grumpy old man driving a slow car.

You can use any adjective that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, but the facts are the same: Grumpy. Old. Slow.

So keep bragging about yourself. If you were so good you wouldn't have to complain about all the red-light losing you apparently do.

And by the way - I'm sure virtually everyone on this site, including of course you, is better than me. Some people come to learn, some come to brag. I am one. You are the other.

I just couldn't stand it anymore and had to jump in -- I may be old and seasoned and a veteran Stock /SuperStock racer ( yes , I started out with Billy and Mark in R/SA ) and some days I'm even grumpy but on my worst day would never ever jump into a 7.90 car . Why ? It's S / SS or nothing .....period . And just like Billy and Mark I've got a few good runs left ...........bring it on ! ! ! And I don't have to brag .....................

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Naaaa.......Wait until your about 64 years young......LOL.

Hell, I can't even REMEMBER being 64....

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Hell, I can't even REMEMBER being 64....

And some of your post confirms it.Hold on before you blow a gasket.I couldn't help it.Just kidding.You left a hole big enough to drive a truck through.