D/Dart in Stock

[bill dedman]

Thanks, Terry, for the info.

That is the sort of car that I think could bring a lot of variety back into Stock Eliminator in the new millinneum, but it's about as likely as the sun rising in the West, tomorrow morning...

[X-TECH MAN]

Bill....There were a couple of others I forgot to mention. The 60 Pontiac of Ronnie Broadhead (same class as Dick Hill) was a SD car from the west coast and the car won class at the 66 Winternationals with Butch Leal driving. One more ws a Div. 1 1960 station wagon called the "Big Bruiser" driven by a Joe Perzan (one of the INDIAN TRIBE) who was the Division points leader for awhile in what was then I/SA. Also a 389 SD with 3 X 2's. The guy who ran the M/T 61 Ventura also ran a SD 61 Wagon. These were neat cars and looked great with the 8 lug wheels and wide white wall tires. Bruce Morgan (a west coast guy) won a 61 SD Prize from Hurst Corp. for being the world champ when he was driving a 57 283 FI Belair Hard top in 61. OK Im done,,,,,LOL

[bill dedman]

Great stuff, Terry...

I remember when Bruce Morgan won that Pontiac at Indy.... (I was there that year.) Bruce was an over-the-road truck driver who made enough "time off" from his day job, to follow the Points Tour that year and power-shifted his 283 270 HP Bow Tie to a Championship.

That was before the day of professional drivers in Sportsman Eliminators. A different world...

[Jim Wahl]

Damn Bill! Your old! Jim

[bill dedman]

Thanks, Jim....

I was 23 in 1961...
I'd gone to the Oklahoma City NHRA Nationals in 1957 and '58; skipped the Detroit race in '59 and '60, but went to Indy in '61 and '62.

It was a little different than what we have, now...

No Christmas Tree, Handicap Starts, Breakouts, Dial-ins, Indexes, Contingency awards, Fuelers, Funny Cars, Pro Stockers, Motorcycles of any kind, Pro Mods, Alcohol Dragsters or Alky Funny Cars, Two-steps, Delay boxes, Radial slicks, '.90 cars of any kind, TV coverage, Major brand sponsorships, Multi-car teams ala Force's current stable, 1,000-foot racing for fast cars, Reversers in dragsters, 60-foot traps, Slicks on Stockers, "THE COUNTDOWN," (gag!), Eighteen Wheeler semi-trailer car haulers, Fuel injected Stockers, Lencos, Burst panels on supercharger manifolds, Jet track dryers, Reaction times, Wheelie bars on Stockers, Fines for oiling down the track, Insurance payments to cover Pro racers (there were none) attached to Sportsman entry fees,.... and, the list goes on....

What we DID have, was 1,200 race cars entered, and EVERY RACEwas a heads-up race!!!

You have no idea how that ENHANCES a drag race!!!

'nuff sed.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

A 63 alum half rotted car just sold on ebay for 320000 no engine or trans and I mean ruff, it was supposed to be a real car.

For real?? Kinda cool that Luneack race's his then..

[Bob Pagano]

Yes for real, Greg runs his and there are a few other 63 alum cars that run and a few in garages like Jerry Stein's

[Ken Haase]

Bob, the number you posted is three hundred-twenty thousand. Did you mean $32,000 by any chance?

[Bob Pagano]

Oops, yea 32000. but the car was real ruff, a good comparison would be Dan Dvorak's 63 Dodge Alum car for sale at 79000. and is perfect.

[Paul Ceasrine]

I thought you guys were talking about D-Darts.The only difference between a 273 Hi-Po (235 HP) and the 273/275 HP (D-Dart)was the camshaft (Cam-Craft .495/.505 lift / 284 duration), and Racer Brown 250 lb. ratedvalve springs.The carburetor was a Holley 600 cfm-rated, vacuum secondary unit, as opposed to theCarter 500-cfm AFB unit on the 235 HP rated engine. To allow for the Holley carb butterflies to open, the stock cast iron intake wasmodified (a free-breathing flow intake as Chrysler put it), the throat openings were bored out an additional 3/16".It really doesn't sound like a 40 HP improvement over the 273/235 HP Commando.I think the NHRA currently rates the 273/235 HP at (220 HP). As someone posted earlier, the D-Dart engine should be re-rated.Not that it would matter, because who in the hell would try to run this car in stock class, and be competitive. Not at 275 HP.Paul (Former 273/235 HP racer)