The damage recently done

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I've not been ignoring this. Just working.

As pointed out, there is a book full of allowable items in S/SS that some find objectionable. Some, but not nearly all, of it already pointed out on this thread. When I last raced in D/S, I raced against some pretty good running 390 Mustangs and the Boss 351 of Rob Youngblood. The Boss 351 had a 780 Holley in lieu of the factory 4300D. The 390 Mustang had a 735 Holley instead of the 600 Holley on top of a Police Interceptor aluminum hi-rise instead of the flat cast iron unit. And it got a 8 qt oil pan. But who cares, it's in the books and the books allow everybody access so you can build any car you want with parts that suit your needs.

No need to go look at the '60's Shelby offerings that have popped up lately, it's been discussed to death here. Same with 383 two four barrels, hi-compression Pontiac's, 327 intakes on 283's, Oldsmobile cams, you name it, it's out there.

And Billy, I don't know if you race IHRA but I do think it's in your area of the country so I'm assuming you do. But had you been looking, you might have found IHRA accepted the Holley for Stock on AMC about 9 years ago.

NHRA just now put it in the books. And AMC themselves submitted the larger cam to NHRA DECADES ago. I brought it up and they found it in their archives.

And Blue Oval, you're right. It was in the AMA specifications. A bunch of you critics are probably to young to know what that's all about. The OEM submitted specifications to the AMA about everything (wheel cylinder volume, spring weight for ignition points, trunk volume, etc., etc., etc.).NHRA used AMA specifications as a source guide.

I have been dealing with NHRA on this for 12 years. I've been told everything I submitted was what they wanted to see and then told "no" for no explainable reason. I've been told to get this or that and "were good to go" then told no. I never threatened to use an attorney and wouldn't know any of the NHRA tech officials if they showed up at my door this afternoon. I just never gave up because I had the documentation and I knew it was right.

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

For the record, I've posted on this site more than once LT-1 '70 Nova's should be allowed in S/SS. I've also stated I would love to see factory approved parts allowed by all makes. I'd personally love to see (maybe a separate class called "Trans Am Stock") with Cross-Ram '69 Z-28's vs. Cross-Boss Boss 302 Mustangs and Cross-Ram Javelins along with whatever "off road" cam that was available at the time. Stage II Buick's? Heck yea.

Anybody else...build an AMC. I'd love to have some competition. And in the end, I'm sure I'll be quite familiar with the AHFS.

So who do I need to talk to at NHRA about getting some "enhancements" for my D/SA car?

Btw, which AMCs were the bigger cam, aluminum manifold, and 780 holley installed on from the factory, I never got an answer to that question.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

Btw, which AMCs were the bigger cam, aluminum manifold, and 780 holley installed on from the factory, I never got an answer to that question.

They were assembled by the same people who put those aluminum heads on that 1965 Impala.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I've not been ignoring this. Just working.

As pointed out, there is a book full of allowable items in S/SS that some find objectionable. Some, but not nearly all, of it already pointed out on this thread. When I last raced in D/S, I raced against some pretty good running 390 Mustangs and the Boss 351 of Rob Youngblood. The Boss 351 had a 780 Holley in lieu of the factory 4300D. The 390 Mustang had a 735 Holley instead of the 600 Holley on top of a Police Interceptor aluminum hi-rise instead of the flat cast iron unit. And it got a 8 qt oil pan. But who cares, it's in the books and the books allow everybody access so you can build any car you want with parts that suit your needs.

No need to go look at the '60's Shelby offerings that have popped up lately, it's been discussed to death here. Same with 383 two four barrels, hi-compression Pontiac's, 327 intakes on 283's, Oldsmobile cams, you name it, it's out there.

And Billy, I don't know if you race IHRA but I do think it's in your area of the country so I'm assuming you do. But had you been looking, you might have found IHRA accepted the Holley for Stock on AMC about 9 years ago.

NHRA just now put it in the books. And AMC themselves submitted the larger cam to NHRA DECADES ago. I brought it up and they found it in their archives.

And Blue Oval, you're right. It was in the AMA specifications. A bunch of you critics are probably to young to know what that's all about. The OEM submitted specifications to the AMA about everything (wheel cylinder volume, spring weight for ignition points, trunk volume, etc., etc., etc.).NHRA used AMA specifications as a source guide.

I have been dealing with NHRA on this for 12 years. I've been told everything I submitted was what they wanted to see and then told "no" for no explainable reason. I've been told to get this or that and "were good to go" then told no. I never threatened to use an attorney and wouldn't know any of the NHRA tech officials if they showed up at my door this afternoon. I just never gave up because I had the documentation and I knew it was right.

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

For the record, I've posted on this site more than once LT-1 '70 Nova's should be allowed in S/SS. I've also stated I would love to see factory approved parts allowed by all makes. I'd personally love to see (maybe a separate class called "Trans Am Stock") with Cross-Ram '69 Z-28's vs. Cross-Boss Boss 302 Mustangs and Cross-Ram Javelins along with whatever "off road" cam that was available at the time. Stage II Buick's? Heck yea.

Anybody else...build an AMC. I'd love to have some competition. And in the end, I'm sure I'll be quite familiar with the AHFS.

I'll stand by my original post. NHRA has never made such broad sweeping changes to so many combos in one shot ever. PERIOD. If you have the proper paperwork then just post it on here but remember, I've got the books sitting here on the floor so don't try yanking my chain.
And Dwight, OBTW, just for the records, at least Chevy made big blocks with aluminium heads. You show me any AMC V8 with them.
I'm so damned glad that everything I have is so da**ed different that no-one wants to be bothered with it. I guess the new deal now is "well he's cheating so I'm gonna cheat".

[super trick]

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

So 7 years years you spent a bunch of time,money and had a soft NHRA HP rating and ran fast? Boy don't hurt your arm patting your self on the back. Lets talk about what time and money (and low HP combos) cant buy, World championship, a race win. A couple things i don't here you talk about. There are plenty of people on here that post that have championships,race wins,records,# 1 qualifying you never here them talking about what they have done. Why? It's something called "CLASS". It's nice to think that some racers still have it.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by super trick

And for "Super Trick", I raced D/S last about 7 years ago. My ET's were 10.55-10.65 here in Arizona; never made it to a sea level track. And that was with a .457" cam, cast iron intake and 4300 Autolite. I'd suggest if you have a comparable D/S or D/SA car, you should be able to do better with 7 years in advancements. But I doubt it.

So 7 years years you spent a bunch of time,money and had a soft NHRA HP rating and ran fast? Boy don't hurt your arm patting your self on the back. Lets talk about what time and money (and low HP combos) cant buy, World championship, a race win. A couple things i don't here you talk about. There are plenty of people on here that post that have championships,race wins,records,# 1 qualifying you never here them talking about what they have done. Why? It's something called "CLASS". It's nice to think that some racers still have it.

First off, my D/S AMX was rated @ 315 HP. The same as the aforementioned 390 Mustangs at the time with their "improved" parts list. So if a Mustang 390 with larger oil pan, manifold and carb were "soft" but still weighed the same as my AMX, then I guess we were both "soft". And you also have no clue as to how much testing I've done, engines and clutches I've lost testing the limits.
Second, in one sentence you say you don't hear me talking about world championships, or race wins. Next sentence you say of those with such accomplishments, they don't mention it. Which end are you talking from?
Third, on the subject of class, you might notice I don't hide behind a screen name. Talk about classless!

[SStockDart]

Hey Super Truck.....go ahead and post your successes. I would like to see them and congratulate you. To Jeff's defense (and he needs none)....He built his car before he wanted to spend so much time with his children. Therefore, his priorities have shifted (pun intended)....

[Tom keedle]

all this sounds like there's gonna be 400 amc stockers built over the winter

yeah, right...

oh yeah, should i be bent out of shape because damn near everybody can have beercan heads and i'm stuck with cast iron?

290 amc's can't run aluminum heads... and as far as the "BIG HUGE ADVANTAGE" the R4B is,well, "dated" comes to mind...$$$ is another...

at least it'll be something different than another camaro/mustang/challenger.....HEY!!!
WAIT A MINUITE!!, i remember seeing a javilin ad back in '69 that had a 6/71 blower on it!

wonder where THAT was in the group 19 section .....


this is pure sarcasm and to be taken as such...

[Paul Precht]

Wow the 343 in GT with aftermarket heads is 270HP, 202 intake with the 3310 which flows 800 cfm on my bench. Built properly this motor should make 600 HP, if I was an AMC guy, I'd stuff that baby in a Gremlin and fly.

[cicero819]

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II

How many of the 4300D's do you need? I think i have about 4 or 5 still. Can supply them to you anyway you want. Email me Dee9275@yahoo.com

Duane, put them on Ebay, I was at the R.M. auction in Auburn last Saturday(no rain) and talk to a friend who was selling two Boss 302 and he told me that he paid just under 3k for his number matching carb, so you better make sell them at the right place and retire.lol On a side note, it's always nice to see passion being debated properly. Thanks guys. Claude

[KRatcliff]

I am not sure how much the superseded parts really help those cars. At the end of the day, they are still AMCs.