SS Modified - Page 3

Rich67stang · 10-25-2015, 11:00 AM

I enjoy running modified and modified stock, you can run .300-.500 under most modified indexes with a good engine, .600 and more under and the cost factor grows exponentially. Modified cars are extremely consistent, IMO.

Dick Butler · 10-25-2015, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FED 387

Got it thank you thought that rule only applied to SS/ modified stock cars not modified production cars--- run a balls out old comp motor and have some fun---- FED 387

And never tear down.

FED 387 · 10-25-2015, 11:46 AM

P&g. That's it

Dick Butler · 10-25-2015, 12:13 PM

While we ran 3 SS cars at one time we were pretty well assured we had a "date" with the tear down barn where ever we raced. Part of the game but at this point I think a nice SS/CS car would be a major advantage....

randy wilson · 10-25-2015, 09:32 PM

If they have any doubts about some mods on say SS/CS, like making sure there are no external mods in the port area, or any valves have been moved, then they will tear you basically apart. At least the top end.

Dick Butler · 10-25-2015, 10:55 PM

Wish SS/CS allowed the BRODIX heads. Then it could be the cheap Mod car class and it would be a start....

randy wilson · 10-26-2015, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Wish SS/CS allowed the BRODIX heads. Then it could be the cheap Mod car class and it would be a start....

This. But that's too simple.

Mike Mans · 10-26-2015, 12:42 PM

SS/CS is really a great class, we enjoyed running it for nearly 10 years. The challenge (like any hard run SS and GT motor) is keeping the iron heads alive. There are now 2 Dart head castings that are approved for SS/CS, which I believe have quite a bit more material in the combustion chamber and clamping surfaces in comparison to the Bowtie Vortec stuff we ran. It was really a great ET and speed to run, and no tear downs is always nice. Although Indy appears to be one of the only races these days that actually tear anyone apart anymore.

Mike Mans

Dick Butler · 10-26-2015, 01:21 PM

Mike, What if NHRA made untouched Brodix Spec heads only head to run in CS?

This would be closest to lower cost entry class for SS.

SSGT Mustang · 10-26-2015, 01:56 PM

I don't think that SS/CS would be considered either entry level or low cost.

To be in the game, the heads would need to be ported (CNC) and probably welded. You'd need a good short deck block, a custom stroke crank (probably billet), good rods (Carrillo for steel or GRP for aluminum), Jesel valve train, titanium valves, top-shelf springs, retainers, locks, lifters and pushrods, etc, etc.

Any small engine like that wants to see a lot of RPM. The parts need to be light but strong and reliable. You also need a good trans and converter program.

I looked into doing an SS/CS engine, but chose SS/BS instead based largely on availability of good used heads and valve train parts. Head porters typically prefer grinding aluminum over cast iron, and they definitely prefer to weld on aluminum.

With the comp guys selling good parts for a fraction of their original cost, it just makes more sense financially to go with a modified class that allows them (even the V6 stuff). Even with the used stuff, you're still looking at 25K to 35K to get a good engine together.

I think SS/CS is real challenge to go fast. Challenge almost always equals a lot of time and money.

Just my .02

10-25-2015, 11:00 AM	#21
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 313 Likes: 3 Liked 116 Times in 27 Posts	Re: SS Modified I enjoy running modified and modified stock, you can run .300-.500 under most modified indexes with a good engine, .600 and more under and the cost factor grows exponentially. Modified cars are extremely consistent, IMO. __________________ Richard Preiser 1613 FGT/I 1510 C/SA 161 F/DA

10-25-2015, 11:46 AM	#23
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,422 Likes: 531 Liked 333 Times in 180 Posts	Re: SS Modified P&g. That's it

10-25-2015, 12:13 PM	#24
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: SS Modified While we ran 3 SS cars at one time we were pretty well assured we had a "date" with the tear down barn where ever we raced. Part of the game but at this point I think a nice SS/CS car would be a major advantage....

10-25-2015, 09:32 PM	#25
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: SS Modified If they have any doubts about some mods on say SS/CS, like making sure there are no external mods in the port area, or any valves have been moved, then they will tear you basically apart. At least the top end. __________________ don,t have one

10-25-2015, 10:55 PM	#26
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: SS Modified Wish SS/CS allowed the BRODIX heads. Then it could be the cheap Mod car class and it would be a start....

10-26-2015, 12:42 PM	#28
Mike Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 177 Likes: 21 Liked 299 Times in 48 Posts	Re: SS Modified SS/CS is really a great class, we enjoyed running it for nearly 10 years. The challenge (like any hard run SS and GT motor) is keeping the iron heads alive. There are now 2 Dart head castings that are approved for SS/CS, which I believe have quite a bit more material in the combustion chamber and clamping surfaces in comparison to the Bowtie Vortec stuff we ran. It was really a great ET and speed to run, and no tear downs is always nice. Although Indy appears to be one of the only races these days that actually tear anyone apart anymore. Mike Mans

10-26-2015, 01:21 PM	#29
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: SS Modified Mike, What if NHRA made untouched Brodix Spec heads only head to run in CS? This would be closest to lower cost entry class for SS.

10-26-2015, 01:56 PM	#30
SSGT Mustang Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jersey Posts: 359 Likes: 35 Liked 204 Times in 54 Posts	Re: SS Modified I don't think that SS/CS would be considered either entry level or low cost. To be in the game, the heads would need to be ported (CNC) and probably welded. You'd need a good short deck block, a custom stroke crank (probably billet), good rods (Carrillo for steel or GRP for aluminum), Jesel valve train, titanium valves, top-shelf springs, retainers, locks, lifters and pushrods, etc, etc. Any small engine like that wants to see a lot of RPM. The parts need to be light but strong and reliable. You also need a good trans and converter program. I looked into doing an SS/CS engine, but chose SS/BS instead based largely on availability of good used heads and valve train parts. Head porters typically prefer grinding aluminum over cast iron, and they definitely prefer to weld on aluminum. With the comp guys selling good parts for a fraction of their original cost, it just makes more sense financially to go with a modified class that allows them (even the V6 stuff). Even with the used stuff, you're still looking at 25K to 35K to get a good engine together. I think SS/CS is real challenge to go fast. Challenge almost always equals a lot of time and money. Just my .02

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode