We need a new "instant" trigger!

[Don Himes]

Yeah John, now is the time.......but shouldn't these DP and CJ's be put in their own class? I think F/X makes sense because they are NOT readily available for sale to the general public. That alone should keep them from being classified as a "stocker"! They should run the eliminator but be classed A/FX-B/FX-C/FX-D/FX, etc. I think the factories getting involved is, over-all, a good thing. I'm going to go to bed now and hope I don't have nightmares about a 2011 supercharged Q stocker that can go 11.90's!!!!!!!!

[Blingmaster]

Billy: If this sounds way crazy it is because early morning. If a car is capable of running 1.2+ under why not automatically reclassify to closest up a class say .5 under. Take a G/sa that can run 10.6 put it into a class where 11.0 is index. Better show more side by side racing and room to improve performance. Combo must pass teardown, also how about a red light exemption for drivers over 60.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK everybody, The -1.40 trigger is taking too long to catch up to all of the "soft" combos out there! Any suggestions? OBTW we're talking Stock and SS!

Billy, 10 pages, 9 & 1/2 o/t, and what do you have?

Reason ?

Nobody cares about U/SA

Wait until the new CJ's and Mopars start running roughshod over everyone in the higher classes.
Bring this thread back then. Watch the response you get.

[Ron Ortiz]

Alan, if they do not go for the "free pass" thats their fault. They are going to get hit regardless. Increments are for the whole track, not just the 1,000' to finish line.

Art, if it is a singles class, it does not matter, no one else is in it either. The AHFS is for heads up runs, it does not matter any other time as it is off your dial .

Ron Ortiz
U/SA free ride

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Alan, if they do not go for the "free pass" thats their fault. They are going to get hit regardless. Increments are for the whole track, not just the 1,000' to finish line.

Art, if it is a singles class, it does not matter, no one else is in it either. The AHFS is for heads up runs, it does not matter any other time as it is off your dial .

Ron Ortiz
U/SA free ride

Ron, if they don't go for the free pass, there's no data to use to hit them. And the smart racers are not going to go for the free pass.

Forget incrementals. It's not going to happen. They do not like accumulating and compiling the data they do have. They sure won't add to that load.

[442OLDS]

I have to agree that it is about time to remove the trigger and see how fast some cars are actually capable of going.
The quality of drivers is better than ever today.If someone can run 1.7 under,and the other car can only run 1.2 under,the faster car will get a decent light and drive the stripe by few hundreths or less.On Drag Race Central,the results "look" like it was a close race,but in reality,it wasn't.
Also,I propose that all HEADS UP RUNS be run on a .400 pro tree,or maybe even an INSTANT green.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK everybody, The -1.40 trigger is taking too long to catch up to all of the "soft" combos out there! Any suggestions? OBTW we're talking Stock and SS!

Billy,

The "trigger" method is invalid. To determine if a combo is bogus, you dont use the fastest run of an individual to compare to the average. The correct way would be to use the average run of a combination to the average standard in SS or S. Not that hard to do and much more accurate.

The second problem is that the corrective action is too small or not often enough. If a car runs 1.4 under firstly you must determine if it is due to outside forces, like AIR? When I say air I am talking about barometer, temperature, and humidity. (I ran on a 100% humidity day at Indy and that was unbelievable)

Fix it? Run a curve of an engine combo and compare those "like" engines to an average. Correct all runs like we do on our weather stations. Then we must increase the correction factor from 4HP to a much larger number.

Mark,

My family knew Marty Robbins very well. He was a great guy. My ex-sister in law was married to his steel guitar player who won best band of the year in the 1982(?) Grammys. I used to go back stage to the Grand Ole Oprey, but since I dont listen to country music I was like a Pontiac guy at a Chevy race! .

[Colin Wigle]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Billy,

The "trigger" method is invalid. To determine if a combo is bogus, you dont use the fastest run of an individual to compare to the average. The correct way would be to use the average run of a combination to the average standard in SS or S. Not that hard to do and much more accurate.

The second problem is that the corrective action is too small or not often enough. If a car runs 1.4 under firstly you must determine if it is due to outside forces, like AIR? When I say air I am talking about barometer, temperature, and humidity. (I ran on a 100% humidity day at Indy and that was unbelievable)

Fix it? Run a curve of an engine combo and compare those "like" engines to an average. Correct all runs like we do on our weather stations. Then we must increase the correction factor from 4HP to a much larger number.

Very true the correction should bring the 1.4 car to at least the 1.15 triger. with the current system that is not possible.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK everybody, The -1.40 trigger is taking too long to catch up to all of the "soft" combos out there! Any suggestions? OBTW we're talking Stock and SS!

Billy,
You have a great thread going and gotten a lot of good feedback. Isn't hitting the go-fast guys at -1.30 an attempt to answer your question?

What is the answer that you want to hear?

[Jack McCarthy]

billy, for your information, and you should know better

my car has never been defactored since the 70's when jr stock / superstock were divided NHRA deemed that since when compared to the 1964-1966 283 -220 i have smaller intake, smaller carburetor, more CC's and more deck heigth that the 1957-1961 283 230 hp should be rated 215 ... note that WHOPPING 5 hp for the carb (12hp and the intake now cheating 459 = 17hp >total = 29hp) geez thanks nhra.

i have never asked for or recieved a reduction in horsepower
i have never asked for the 1st or worst redlite rule (and i should)

i just race... and know eventually i'll be rid of the caddy

jack

oh i do manipulate the AFHS... guilty as charged