Junior Stock vs IHRA Pure Stock

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Robert Swartz

Dan,

Just a couple thoughts here.

First you would need to expand the class or add more weight breaks. That was my original intent with our FWD Olds, it misses the lowest weight break. The class needs to encompass the same weight breaks "Stock" has to allow the broadest range of participation.

Next would be to look at the current rules and determine what changes could be made that would make sense from not only a cost perspective but a common sense perspective as well. I'd personally like to see the muffler rule "with headers", done away with. Unless the intent with this is to be a street car driven to the track class?

I like the concept of Pure Stock. Just like regular "Stock", it favors the faster RWD cars.

Thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah that suggestion to add a couple more lower classes has come up.
A full FWD Stocker would be more prudent against speedier cars.

The Muffler rule, IHRA has is right in PS.
My car has Headers, Cats and Mufflers and is driven it to the track.
Not to mention my ears are not ringing at the end of the day.

It also has Air Conditioning and sure refreshing on those hot race days.
The Track and Tech guys on the return road get a kick out of that.

What I like about Pure Stock is the versitility of my car.
It is 100% street legal including emissions.
Can drive it to a car show or compete in Solo II autocross.
Does not need a Roll Bar and uses street gas.
Will run 1/2 second under the index in poor weather.

The car is competitive car, easy to maintain and it wins races.

Dan

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by brent flynn

THanks Dan!

When I see your car I think Truman Fields !!
One of the few who could make the Ponchos scream.

D

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by cicero819

Did you have a gun to the guy's temple? I want you shopping for me! Great looking rig. CR

LOL... no gun used.
That truck had been for sale for 2 months but because it is a gas truck, nobody wanted it.
When I made my decision to look for a dually gas truck instead of a diesel, I went and looked at it. I was shocked to learn it had the same paint code as my 2 Mustangs. Bonus.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

The Muffler rule, IHRA has is right in PS.
My car has Headers, Cats and Mufflers and is driven it to the track.
Not to mention my ears are not ringing at the end of the day.


What I like about Pure Stock is the versitility of my car.
It is 100% street legal including emissions.
Can drive it to a car show or compete in Solo II autocross.
Does not need a Roll Bar and uses street gas.
Will run 1/2 second under the index in poor weather.

The car is competitive car, easy to maintain and it wins races.

Dan

^^^ I agree.
Mine doesn't have AC and it barely runs the index, but then again, the car still has the original torque convertor.
I like the fact that my Pure Stocker can be driven on the street as well as run in Stock Eliminator.

It did feel sort of strange at the IHRA London race that I had the only street car with DOT drag radials running in Stock.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

When I see your car I think Truman Fields !!

It's a funny thing that you should bring up Truman in regards to Pure Stock. Ask Terry or Danny Waters to tell you about Ts Pure Stockers and you can figure out for yourself why what you are asking for won't fly!

[Mike Taylor 3601]

I don't think pure stock needs any rules loosened,they had classes fromA-Z @ one time and had classes for front wheel drives and trucks. I think the front wheel classes got knocked out because of complaints about the rental cars being ran.
Then I think it was cut back around N or O,then changed to 1lbs. weight breaks like it is now with sticks & auto's combined.
When I built my car it was street/strip car,but back then had limit on conv. 2500,dot tires,had to use correct rear 7.5 10 bolt in mine.
A later model car can still be good pure stocker and drove because of OD trans w/lock up converters,efi,hyd rollers are more streetable.
MikeTaylor3601

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah that suggestion to add a couple more lower classes has come up.
A full FWD Stocker would be more prudent against speedier cars.

The Muffler rule, IHRA has is right in PS.
My car has Headers, Cats and Mufflers and is driven it to the track.
Not to mention my ears are not ringing at the end of the day.

It also has Air Conditioning and sure refreshing on those hot race days.
The Track and Tech guys on the return road get a kick out of that.

What I like about Pure Stock is the versitility of my car.
It is 100% street legal including emissions.
Can drive it to a car show or compete in Solo II autocross.
Does not need a Roll Bar and uses street gas.
Will run 1/2 second under the index in poor weather.

The car is competitive car, easy to maintain and it wins races.

Dan

In addition to Dan's car, which he drives to the IHRA events, ECIRS and my S/SS races in Hagerstown MD (was R/U at one in 2010), Steve Klacik from Aliquippa PA drives his '89 Mustang t othe IHRA events and my races. He was our 2012 Tri-State S/SS Association champ, won two races (drove 200 miles to Hagerstown a few weeks ago and won the $2,000 Lee Sherman Memorial S/SSRace, running low 14.0's and high 13.90's). Also won an IHRA TOC qualifier in 2010 and finished fifth in the world. All at, or neat, 20 mpg gallon with, as Dan said, all the comforts of a typical street car, runs a few tenths under the Index in H/PS. So, there could be a market for such cars.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

In addition to Dan's car, which he drives to the IHRA events, ECIRS and my S/SS races in Hagerstown MD (was R/U at one in 2010), Steve Klacik from Aliquippa PA drives his '89 Mustang t othe IHRA events and my races. He was our 2012 Tri-State S/SS Association champ, won two races (drove 200 miles to Hagerstown a few weeks ago and won the $2,000 Lee Sherman Memorial S/SSRace, running low 14.0's and high 13.90's). Also won an IHRA TOC qualifier in 2010 and finished fifth in the world. All at, or neat, 20 mpg gallon with, as Dan said, all the comforts of a typical street car, runs a few tenths under the Index in H/PS. So, there could be a market for such cars.

As a bonus, I've found that type car to be very, very consistent in pure stock form.
....Just kinda boring with an automatic and stock converter.
I would never try driving one to the track with a T 5...I'm sure I could break something.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

It's a funny thing that you should bring up Truman in regards to Pure Stock. Ask Terry or Danny Waters to tell you about Ts Pure Stockers and you can figure out for yourself why what you are asking for won't fly!

Billy is correct. He is smart at this game and an old fart (LOL) like Truman and others. What a lot dont know is Truman had 2 Ram Air Firebirds. They BOTH flew. Another fellow drove one (cant remember his name) and I have been in both combos engines for tear down several times years ago. Each were 100% legal and they were built for pure stock rules. Very well prepared cars and prepared like a Jr. stocker of yesteryear. One the other guy ran was an automatic. The stick car that Truman drove still had the old "Rate of Lift" cam in it that he won Indy with back in the stone age when NHRA required the spring pressures, duration and overlap to check. There is really no reason to ask for more rule changes and added expense to run faster or more consistant. Work on your stuff, build it right, and you should be at least approx. one under and deadly consistant unless your trying to race a "Stone" to begin with. To win you dont need to be one plus under anyway. Not only that Truman is a great guy and a hard racer. Follow in some of these old farts wisdom and you will be sucessful. If more guys were like Billy and guys like Truman and enough built pure stockers (Legal ones) the regular stocker guys would scream bloody murder and demand them to be outlawed.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

In addition to Dan's car, which he drives to the IHRA events, ECIRS and my S/SS races in Hagerstown MD (was R/U at one in 2010), Steve Klacik from Aliquippa PA drives his '89 Mustang t othe IHRA events and my races. He was our 2012 Tri-State S/SS Association champ, won two races (drove 200 miles to Hagerstown a few weeks ago and won the $2,000 Lee Sherman Memorial S/SSRace, running low 14.0's and high 13.90's). Also won an IHRA TOC qualifier in 2010 and finished fifth in the world. All at, or neat, 20 mpg gallon with, as Dan said, all the comforts of a typical street car, runs a few tenths under the Index in H/PS. So, there could be a market for such cars.

Thanks Mike:

Would love to have an all Pure Stock final with Steve..

As for Truman Fields...he took an underdog car and made it rock.
BTW anyone have pictures of Truman's cars???

Wonder how many cars are Pure Stockers.
Sure would like to get their addresses see if we can start a UNION

Dan